BROOKS BEASTS GO HOME DEVASTATED

I don’t believe the Mackey’s are married any longer right? She is coached by former washington assistant.

Agree w/AllieO leaving the Steeple next year . . . for the 10k.

Nobody in the US is close to Coburn-Frerichs-Quigley in the Steeple . . . worthless for anyone other steepler to think about the Olympics with these three competing . . .

On the other hand, presuming Huddle & Sisson make the marathon team in February, the 10k is wide open . . . Marielle Hall and other marathoners who don't get top 3 are the best the US has and they are all around 32:00 - which is AllieO's pr.

AllieO is built like the Ethiopians . . . very small and lightweight . . . all legs and lungs. She looks perfect for the 10k if that is where her heart is . . .

Katy needs to move up to the 5 or possibly 10; She could not cover the moves over the last 500m, especially the last 200. Training more like a 5k-10k type will give her the strength to compliment her good miler speed. Arm chair coach perspective would be to regroup and plan a few road 5ks and possibly Tufts 10k in October before shutting it down for the year.

At least a few of these "BROOKS BEASTS GOES HOME DEVASTATED!" threads pop up after the US championships or Olympic Trials basically since the group started, and as much as I hate to admit it, they are totally warranted. Except for a few sneaking in here and there (Katie Mackey last indoor championships, Nick Symmonds in his final go-around, Cas Loxsom before getting kicked out), the group consistently fails to make team. Far fewer USA teams than it should have for the level of money they get. And they definitely don't deserve the "up and coming" excuse anymore. The group's been around for a while. Drew Windle's world indoor silver unfortunately proved to be a fluke.

Not to mention the high turnover rate the group has. The women's roster has basically been cleaned out.

I was pretty sad to see Allie O go to the Beasts. Would love to be proven wrong, but such a talent belongs in one of the Nike groups.

Mackey Still There? wrote:

FIRE HIM wrote:

If this was real sports Mackey would be fired.

Mackey was brought in by his buddy Jesse Williams who ran Brooks Running for a while until he "resigned". The whole thing needs to be blown up and restarted. I feel bad for the athletes there as there are some good ones. The whole women's team folded last year and we never heard why. His wife doesn't even run for him...what does that tell you.

Bring a real coach up to Seattle and this thing can succeed.

Danny couldn’t land a NCAA job despite applying for plenty. Jesse hired him because he was coach/dating their best runner (Katie Mackey). He has no real experience coaching... read a lot of books, talked to a lot of people, but never really run the experiment through.

So at his first attempt, he’s trying to do it at a world level... talk about silly.

This is a well funded group with good (not limitless but good) resources. Brooks should look at the coaches of the athletes they are recruiting as possible Danny replacement.

Beastly wrote:

Brooks should look at the coaches of the athletes they are recruiting as possible Danny replacement.

During the LR interview after she made finals it doesn't sound like Karisa Nelson wants to be coached by Pat McGregor again. Wasn't he suppose to go there last fall?

Rumor had Pat starting as Danny's assistant this past year. Must've fallen through. Is he still hiring someone else?

I had the opportunity to watch multiple Brooks Beasts track workouts. Screwed up would be the way that I would put it. No logic, and progression. When I asked if this was standard for what Danny had them do the answer was yes. And there is the problem. Danny does not know what the hell he is doing and I would argue with anyone over that fact. As someone earlier said they should blow the group up and start with one of the top collegiate coaches.

Danny is a nice guy but it's been blatantly obvious for YEARS that he's not a good coach.

While the group isn’t doing amazing I think the criticism is mostly unwarranted.

1) There’s only 3 spots per team. If you’re not NOP or BTC you’re going to have a tough time making the team.

2) Most of the Beasts have run very well this year. Most have actually PR’d multiple times this year.

3) some of his guys still ran well. 5 and 6 in the 1500m, 6 in the 800m after an abysmal previous years.

4) did NJNY have anyone go? I’d imagine people would consider Gags a good coach, but despite having a bigger team I don’t think anyone qualified from there. But Mackey typically gets the heat and no one else.

5) Mackey might be a crappy coach, idk. Until we see an actual training plan we won’t know for sure. But he has coached many of his guys, who had successful NCAA careers, to PRs. That’s not bad.

Here’s the thing. Coaches like Salazar, Julian, Schumacher, Mahon , Coogan, Tracey, Wetmore, Rowland, etc have taken Beast type talent and turned them into great athletes that podium at USAs and sometimes the world stage. Mackey hasn’t done this. Period.

Engels, Thompson, Kincaid, Osako, Houlihan!, Blankenship, Quigley, Hasay, Purrier, Hiltz, Sisson ... I could go on and on - - were no better or worse out of college than what the Beast get year after year. If Brooks wants to keep throwing their money away, so be it, but they are actually doing a disservice to American distance running at the moment by not giving our emerging athletes a quality coach. The verdict is in.

This isn’t about whether Mackey is a nice guy or what have you. He’s a very nice guy who sincerely wants to do right by his athletes and he works tirelessly for them. As another poster wrote, however, if this was any other professional sport, Mackey would have been let go years ago. Time for a fresh start.

Hey! wrote:

If you could choose to run for Tinman Elite or Brooks Beasts, which would you choose?

Brooks Beasts....

This place is full of trolls. Remember when LetsRun had an apology article for Mackey when the same IP address filed under multiple usernames calling for Mackey's head last Oly Trials. No different now.

Heres a question:

Where were the Hoka guys? Gags is notorious for having nobody qualify, and they are just as funded as the Beasts. And no threads come up for him being fired.

What about Roland and OTC? 1 qualifier. Nobody is calling for his head and they are ACTUALLY a premier track program. Again, crickets on the forum.

Considering the Beasts have 5 of the top 10 Men's Outdoor 1500 times in this year alone leading into USAs. I don't think its fair to say Mackey has not yielded results for years....

The fact is that team raced bad at USAs, but the team has plenty of examples of success.

Danny’s big mistake is cutting athletes after one year if they don’t have good results.

He blames them and not himself.

He should go learn from the coaches who are putting athletes on teams

Several things:

1.) Not trying to nitpick here, but OTC had three qualifiers out of USA's, not counting the foreign athletes Rowland coaches that will be competing for their respective nations. Hanna Green (2nd in W800), Ben Blankenship (4th in M1500), and Hassan Mead (4th in M5000). I know some of these aren't podium spots, but regardless, they're going to Doha. I'm just as critical of Rowland as the rest here, but this USA Champs proved to be a good one for the gang.

2.) As some other posters have said, we HAVE to stop saying that the Beasts are this talentless "up-and-coming" group. They now receive just as many NCAA Champs (Wynne, Ostrander, Kerr, Nelson) as the NIKE groups do (and quite a bit more than groups like NJNY, NAZ-Elite, Mission AC, etc.), yet they've failed to develop most of those athletes into what they're capable of becoming or qualify for world teams.