Have any non African born men broken 13:00 for the 5000 since the introduction of the biological passport?

Lessepo wrote:

I can’t think of anyone

Aside from 4 or 5 Africans (1 Americanized African), none at all. Crazy that think of how common it used to be. Geb and bekele once did it for the second half of a 10k.

I think Bob Kennedy's run was clean though. I don't see him as being a doper.

Sure there is something wrong, but the question is whether

1) Less doped Kenyans/Africans -> slower races -> no rabbits to super quick times for the best US/EU runners. Having 5 doped Africans at the front who can all run sub 12:50 and push the pace is huge for a clean athlete.

or

2) Former non-African sub 13 runners, like Solinsky and Mottram were doped to the gills (that would mean, many other athletes of their coaches, Jerry Schumacher and Nick Bideau, would also be questionable).

We will see if someone can pace Ingebrigtsen to a sub 13 5k. I always was very doubtful of sub 13 performances of non Africans, considering how many top talented runners try the distance and seem to plateau around 13:05-13:15, but somehow few individuals were able to break it.

How many non-African born men have ever broken 13? Kennedy, Solinsky, Ritz, Rupp, Teg, Mottram, Bauman (busted). I'm sure I'm missing some but it's not like there are a lot.

Yes. The iaaf introduced the ABP program in 2009. Since the 2009 outdoor season, just in the U.S.A. Ritz, Tegenkamp, Solinsky, and Rupp have run sub 13:00.

I believe it was introduced in 2009. Since 2009 the following have:

Ritz

Teg

Solinsky

And within 5 seconds of it:

Jager

True

Mead

*Just looking at the US all time list here:

https://www.iaaf.org/records/all-time-toplists/middle-long/5000-metres/outdoor/men/senior?regionType=countries&region=usa&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1899-12-31&lastDay=2019-07-13

species wrote:

How many non-African born men have ever broken 13? Kennedy, Solinsky, Ritz, Rupp, Teg, Mottram, Bauman (busted). I'm sure I'm missing some but it's not like there are a lot.

The OP is suggesting that everyone you just listed cheated. I would be very surprised that, other than possibly Rupp, any of the Americans cheated. There is zero evidence that they did and as far as I know they didn't have any ties to people suspected of providing PEDs to athletes. Again, running fast us not proof of cheating.

So how will you justify Jakob's sub 13 if it happens?

I think the first biological passport took effect in 2009, but there were no suspensions until 2012. And yes, no non African has broken 13:00 since then.

African born I should have stated. Also Jager at 13:02 was considered likely doping

It's also worth noting (generally speaking, for both Africans and non-Africans) that until 2014 drug cheats could simply pay a fee to the corrupt IAAF instead of getting banned. Let's hope that has changes (as recent busts indicate).

Facetime wrote:

African born I should have stated. Also Jager at 13:02 was considered likely doping

That’s not how that worked.

You are correct. It wasn’t that performance, but the hacked report the Fancy Bears released

Lessepo wrote:

I can’t think of anyone

Great data point!

+1

Truth Only wrote:

Lessepo wrote:

I can’t think of anyone

Great data point!

+1

Rupp went sub 13 in 2012

Coevett wrote:

An we know that this trend for less sub African13 times has increased sharply over the last 5 years (especially in Kenya). It took a while for the ABP to have a chilling effect.

This despite the population of East Africa increasing substantially over the last decade.

As a yet another blatantly racist attempt to prove that Africans are genetically superior and in fact that despite all evidence the rest of the world has the doping problem, I'd say this thread is a truly spectacular fail that even Casual Observer and Rekrunner would be ashamed of.

Good grief. You can't even post without being a racist a--hole.

I'm reporting this post and encourage many other people to report it too.

Another racist post by Coevett !!! wrote:

Coevett wrote:

An we know that this trend for less sub African13 times has increased sharply over the last 5 years (especially in Kenya). It took a while for the ABP to have a chilling effect.

This despite the population of East Africa increasing substantially over the last decade.

As a yet another blatantly racist attempt to prove that Africans are genetically superior and in fact that despite all evidence the rest of the world has the doping problem, I'd say this thread is a truly spectacular fail that even Casual Observer and Rekrunner would be ashamed of.

Good grief. You can't even post without being a racist a--hole.

I'm reporting this post and encourage many other people to report it too.

What in that post was racist? Replace Kenya with Russia, would you call accuse him of being bigoted of Russians?

fgsdfg wrote:

In the ten years before the ABP was introduced, 26 Kenyan runners went under 13 minutes.

In the ten years since the ABP was introduced, 20 Kenyan runners went under 13 minutes.

An we know that this trend for less sub African13 times has increased sharply over the last 5 years (especially in Kenya). It took a while for the ABP to have a chilling effect.

Wrong. First off the number is almost the same. Secondly, almost all of the 5k races in the last 10 years have been slow and tactical, no thanks to a certain Brit, a practice that I'm not fond of at all and which you should blame him for, not any black non-white Africans. Finally, most top Kenyans who could be great at the 5k have turned to the marathon as there is much more compensation for running fast marathons. With all these things considered, that the number still is almost the same is quite amazing, and shows that the ABP has not held back any legitimate runners, regardless of where they are from.

Also, I'm reporting your post for making more racist comments toward Africans.

Kenya media is racist I guess.