Coevett wrote:
Wejo has started an official 'moderation' thread where he's discussing how to stop trolls posting under multiple names/ips. Have fun while you can.
jeff tallon wrote:
i agree.the drug assisted norwegian brothers should be the first to go down,then the jamaicans,french and dutch,and ill be happy once usa and britain finally get exposed,and banned as the mass cheats they are.then ill be convinced that drug testing works.
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
rekrunner wrote:
My "competing theory" was about performance.
The increasing number of Kenyan busts is not relevant to that, and some of the recent busts seem to support the "competing theory".
I don't doubt the number of busts, the improved testing, and high prevelance.
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Of course -- all that -- but when you say "could have been", a competing theory is "could have not been", especially when the doping violation post dates the best times by several years.
This is the stalemate that caused so many other lengthy threads without any progress beyond "could have been".
You seem to be the only person who hasn't noticed that Kenyan busts appear to be happening with ever more increasing regularity. Most would put this fact down to the improved testing.
Crystal ball. wrote:
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor
Rjm? I thought, like the poster said, that he claimed to a medical doctor?
Subway Surfers wrote:
Crystal ball. wrote:
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor
Well he does work in high performance sports science and works with some of the best athletes in the world on a daily basis. So he might know something that you don't.
Where are they now? wrote:
Rjm? I thought, like the poster said, that he claimed to a medical doctor?
Subway Surfers wrote:
Crystal ball. wrote:
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor
Well he does work in high performance sports science and works with some of the best athletes in the world on a daily basis. So he might know something that you don't.
And wasn't Calculo also claiming to be an M.D.?
Subway Surfers wrote:
I think the only competing theory is your "competing theory," the other theory is reality.
drugcheats wrote:
Early 90s was generally regarded when the super drugs like EPO made the scene. More so in cycling. The long lost tribe of east African runners suddenly explode on the scene, training in super remote training camps, and then vanish from the scene just as fast. The African machine churning out new name after new name. All super elite runners because they are super human with super genes. Duh.
rekrunner wrote:
Of course, it's clear that's what you think. Two posters just described your thoughts about reality as "could have been".
Subway Surfers wrote:
I think the only competing theory is your "competing theory," the other theory is reality.
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
Coevett wrote:
It seems that several Kenyans now already have been caught because of the combination of the new WADA lab and the 'intelligence based approach' which sees testers target associates of already convicted dopers. This seems to have been what's led to the bust of Joyce, and hopefully it will lead to some of her 'associates' getting busted.
The above seems more likely than a slew of Kenyan's suddenly realizing they are not so fast anymore so lets try some of the beetroot juice to see if it works.
Seems that testing in Kenya has gone from abysmal to reasonable by African standards in quite a short space of time. So it's quite plausible to believe that Joyce and the likes of Kiprop were near full throttle a few years ago, and have been forced to throttle back more recently, but obviously didn't throttle back enough to escape the better testing. This would also fit in with the general decline of Kenyan times as well.
But not nearly as fast as they were in the late 90s/early 00s.
rekrunner wrote:
How do we get past what things "seem like" to you?
All these threads seem to be propped up by phrases like "could have been" and "seems like" and "I think".
Where does this idea that intelligent testing includes targeting associates of convicted dopers come from?
Do you have an external source?
As you see, East Africans were fast on the world scene before EPO.
rekrunner wrote:
How do we get past what things "seem like" to you?
All these threads seem to be propped up by phrases like "could have been" and "seems like" and "I think".
Where does this idea that intelligent testing includes targeting associates of convicted dopers come from?
Do you have an external source?
As you see, East Africans were fast on the world scene before EPO.
rekrunner wrote:
My "competing theory" was about performance.
The increasing number of Kenyan busts is not relevant to that, and some of the recent busts seem to support the "competing theory".
I don't doubt the number of busts, the improved testing, and high prevelance.