So you +1 your own (anonymous) post under a different handle, then post the 'where's el K' question under another, then reply to it under another handle pretending you thought it was actually me?
And you think I have issues?
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Coevett wrote:
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Same goes, El Whiteboy, Ex Runnr, etc. -
jeff tallon wrote:
i agree.the drug assisted norwegian brothers should be the first to go down,then the jamaicans,french and dutch,and ill be happy once usa and britain finally get exposed,and banned as the mass cheats they are.then ill be convinced that drug testing works.
O.K., there are two crazies here who think that every new Kenyan doping bust proves that everybody else is even more dirty. -
Early 90s was generally regarded when the super drugs like EPO made the scene. More so in cycling. The long lost tribe of east African runners suddenly explode on the scene, training in super remote training camps, and then vanish from the scene just as fast. The African machine churning out new name after new name. All super elite runners because they are super human with super genes. Duh.
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Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor -
rekrunner wrote:
My "competing theory" was about performance.
The increasing number of Kenyan busts is not relevant to that, and some of the recent busts seem to support the "competing theory".
I don't doubt the number of busts, the improved testing, and high prevelance.
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Of course -- all that -- but when you say "could have been", a competing theory is "could have not been", especially when the doping violation post dates the best times by several years.
This is the stalemate that caused so many other lengthy threads without any progress beyond "could have been".
You seem to be the only person who hasn't noticed that Kenyan busts appear to be happening with ever more increasing regularity. Most would put this fact down to the improved testing.
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Crystal ball. wrote:
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor
Well he does work in high performance sports science and works with some of the best athletes in the world on a daily basis. So he might know something that you don't. -
Rjm? I thought, like the poster said, that he claimed to a medical doctor?
Subway Surfers wrote:
Crystal ball. wrote:
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor
Well he does work in high performance sports science and works with some of the best athletes in the world on a daily basis. So he might know something that you don't.
And wasn't Calculo also claiming to be an M.D.? -
Where are they now? wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Crystal ball. wrote:
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
AFAIK it's mostly one poster
He started off as Rjm and claimed to be a doctor
Well he does work in high performance sports science and works with some of the best athletes in the world on a daily basis. So he might know something that you don't.
Rjm? I thought, like the poster said, that he claimed to a medical doctor?
And wasn't Calculo also claiming to be an M.D.?
Venti apparently is a doc named Ajay Kumar middle name Eldrick. Surely you about the other gentleman. ? -
no,i never said that.the kenyans and ethiopians are mass doping on a huge scale,and theyve got the large talent pool to do it.its the same with usa .and for your information,im only vaguely cray cray.
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Of course, it's clear that's what you think. Two posters just described your thoughts about reality as "could have been".
Subway Surfers wrote:
I think the only competing theory is your "competing theory," the other theory is reality. -
Some history regarding this sudden explosion onto the running scene:
In 1981, Ethiopia beat USA in World Cross Country, with Kenya taking third.
By 1985, Ethiopia and Kenya took 1, 2, ahead of USA in third.
In 1990, after runners from Sweden's national team competed with high school boys, Bengt Saltin remarked that 500 schoolboys in the region could probably beat Sweden's best runner.
drugcheats wrote:
Early 90s was generally regarded when the super drugs like EPO made the scene. More so in cycling. The long lost tribe of east African runners suddenly explode on the scene, training in super remote training camps, and then vanish from the scene just as fast. The African machine churning out new name after new name. All super elite runners because they are super human with super genes. Duh. -
rekrunner wrote:
Of course, it's clear that's what you think. Two posters just described your thoughts about reality as "could have been".
Subway Surfers wrote:
I think the only competing theory is your "competing theory," the other theory is reality.
It seems that several Kenyans now already have been caught because of the combination of the new WADA lab and the 'intelligence based approach' which sees testers target associates of already convicted dopers. This seems to have been what's led to the bust of Joyce, and hopefully it will lead to some of her 'associates' getting busted.
The above seems more likely than a slew of Kenyan's suddenly realizing they are not so fast anymore so lets try some of the beetroot juice to see if it works.
Seems that testing in Kenya has gone from abysmal to reasonable by African standards in quite a short space of time. So it's quite plausible to believe that Joyce and the likes of Kiprop were near full throttle a few years ago, and have been forced to throttle back more recently, but obviously didn't throttle back enough to escape the better testing. This would also fit in with the general decline of Kenyan times as well. -
For the Juniors:
- Ethiopia won between 1982-1985
- Ethiopia and Kenya took 1-2 in 1985 (just like the seniors)
- In 1985, Kenyan and Ethiopian Juniors swept the first 8 places... -
Pretty ridiculous wrote:
It's kind of funny to see grown men arguing over people that they wouldn't even recognize in a crowd. The incessant and borderline pathologic postings by a few individuals on both sides of the matter is also actually somewhat disconcerting.
-the poster formerly known as who gives a $hit
Hi Ex-Runner!
And yet you appear to be here 24/7 to post doping apologist stuff like this, as well as a lot more indecent trolling too (in the middle of the night).
Most people wouldn't recognize potato Tim or even Kipchoge in a crowd. Guess why? Because doped up African dominance has near killed the sport, turning it from second only to football to about on a par with badminton and women's hockey.
But still a few of us who are passionate about the sport. That's why we discuss the latest Kenyan doping busts and what we can do about doping to save the sport. If you hadn't noticed, this is a running forum.
Why don't you just inject yourself with whatever drug you're addicted to now and pi $$ off for good here? You have an unhealthy obsession with defending doping and cheating and trivializing attempts to stop it. -
How do we get past what things "seem like" to you?
All these threads seem to be propped up by phrases like "could have been" and "seems like" and "I think".
Where does this idea that intelligent testing includes targeting associates of convicted dopers come from?
Do you have an external source?
As you see, East Africans were fast on the world scene before EPO.
Coevett wrote:
It seems that several Kenyans now already have been caught because of the combination of the new WADA lab and the 'intelligence based approach' which sees testers target associates of already convicted dopers. This seems to have been what's led to the bust of Joyce, and hopefully it will lead to some of her 'associates' getting busted.
The above seems more likely than a slew of Kenyan's suddenly realizing they are not so fast anymore so lets try some of the beetroot juice to see if it works.
Seems that testing in Kenya has gone from abysmal to reasonable by African standards in quite a short space of time. So it's quite plausible to believe that Joyce and the likes of Kiprop were near full throttle a few years ago, and have been forced to throttle back more recently, but obviously didn't throttle back enough to escape the better testing. This would also fit in with the general decline of Kenyan times as well. -
But not nearly as fast as they were in the late 90s/early 00s.
rekrunner wrote:
How do we get past what things "seem like" to you?
All these threads seem to be propped up by phrases like "could have been" and "seems like" and "I think".
Where does this idea that intelligent testing includes targeting associates of convicted dopers come from?
Do you have an external source?
As you see, East Africans were fast on the world scene before EPO.
Why is it that the WRs in the 15, 3, 5 & 10 were all set in that time period and have not been broken since? And looking at those 4 disciplines, you sometimes have the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even 5th fastest guy setting his fastest time in that same time period!
I would think as we approach the 3rd decade of the 21st century all those records would have been broken by now. Afterall, runners have high-tech rocket powered shoes, aerodynamic running outfits, Alter-G treadmills, cross training, strength training & box jumps, altitude training, and even YMMV's high-endorsed LCHF diet guaranteed to make a runner faster.
All these great things for runners to utilize and still none of those WRs broken.
No records broken.
None.
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rekrunner wrote:
How do we get past what things "seem like" to you?
All these threads seem to be propped up by phrases like "could have been" and "seems like" and "I think".
Where does this idea that intelligent testing includes targeting associates of convicted dopers come from?
Do you have an external source?
As you see, East Africans were fast on the world scene before EPO.
I was replying to your comment which was
rekrunner wrote:
My "competing theory" was about performance.
The increasing number of Kenyan busts is not relevant to that, and some of the recent busts seem to support the "competing theory".
I don't doubt the number of busts, the improved testing, and high prevelance.
Not to be impolite, but you really are an autistic a$$hat aren't you?
As for your other questions, I've spent too much time on this site already this morning. I'm replying to you just after dealing with a guy who is threatening to break my jaw etc. Between you the paid obfuscator here and the violent nutjob threatening to assault and rape me, it doesn't seem to be a good way to spend my time on anti-doping.
But briefly, I can't be ar$ed getting the links right now but one of the top Kenyan xcountry stars pre-EPO was convicted of doping and another was deeply suspicious. People like Japhath Kamal and Michael Rotich have at various times been the coach of the Kenyan xcountry team.
Yes, I did read that the 'intelligence based testing' looked at associates of known dopers. -
Rekrunner, I neglected to throw in the SC with the other 4 events. Though the time (7:53.17) was flushed for Boulami's IC EPO positive it still stands as the fastest time ever. ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/3285115.stm
Now certainly with better shoe technology, aerodynamic ultra-short running shorts, altitude training and box jumps, this record should have been easily broken by now.
But it hasn't.
Nada -
Don't forget cryotherapy, altitude tents, cadence watches, underwater treadmills, foam rollers. But I do agree, surely with all these box jumps WRs should have improved by now.
