Colleen Quigley should move to the 1500m

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4 years ago 07/05/2019 4:01pm EDT

re: trackwonder4

Fun to speculate, but not much of a chance in reality. She has committed to the steeple professionally. This deep into her pro career it could be a career-ender to switch events and fail. No doubt she has a contract kicker if she makes national teams (much more likely than medalling in either event), and with 2 World Championships and 1 Olympics coming up she has much more of a chance in the steeple than 1500. Also, starting over doesn't just mean physically. 4:05 is good for a steepler but probably wouldn't get her into Diamond League meets unless she was also the American champion. She would literally have to start from the bottom again running second-tier meets. By the time she worked her way up to Diamond League, if that ever happened, she would probably be past 30.

4 years ago 07/06/2019 3:46am EDT

re: Les

She is basically a lock to make it onto team USA for all international comps in the steeple. She would most likely not even make top 3 in the 1500m so why would she give up the steeple?

4 years ago 07/07/2019 9:27am EDT

re: namate

She should move to the triathlon for 2020. She would dominate the running leg, so she'd just need to sit-and-kick during the bike and swim.

4 years ago 07/07/2019 2:33pm EDT

re: Scorpion_runner

Scorpion_runner wrote:
ncrecuvuer wrote:
I understand, she's a great 1500m runner. The women's 1500m and 5k are ridiculously loaded right now. The steeple, not as much and there's a lot more unpredictability in the event (world final last year).
Could she medal at 1500m, maybe, but she has to improve her time to at least 3:59, show she's a very good tactician, has good raw speed for a kick and prove she can give/handle a kick from far out. That's everything Dibaba, Kipyegon, Muir, and Hassan have been able to do. Not even Houlihan has mastered handling a kick from far out (see World Indoors 3k and 1500m).
Quigley's 1500m speed is the very thing that's going to get her a medal at the global championships in the steeple. It's always good to have a solid PR in the next distance down. Mo Farah ran 3:28 twice. You never saw him in the 1500m at a global championship, but he always had the fastest 1500m PR in his 5k and 10k fields and he always had the best kick.
IN order to win or even sniff a medal at 1500m in the women's field you're going to have be able to run a 56-60 second last lap. That's fact. 1500m championships are always slow as crap in the first 800m with the women. ....but the last 800m is pure death. Look at how hassan and muir died down the stretch at the WC. Quigley ain't messing with that.

Exactly, in the 2015 final when Dibaba took it with 800m to go, I think the whole top 6 or 7 ran sub for their last 800m. Dibaba and Kipyegon went 1:56.9-1:57.x.

4 years ago 07/07/2019 2:48pm EDT

re: SDSU Aztec

SDSU Aztec wrote:
need a better ... wrote:
We need a better example than Mohammed Farah. Farah did not move down from 5000m to 1500m. Bracket racing is normal. That is all Farah was doing. Farah knew not to race 1500m in Olympics &/or W.C. Jenny Simpson moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m at age 22. Can you name any elite runner who moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m in their late twenties?
Mo did run 3:28 without 2 years of focus; had he done so, would he have set the WR? His specialty was 5/10 so he ran the 1500 at championships. What do you think is the difference in training between the 2 distances? There have been many milers that have run up to 100mpw.
Decker won the 1500/3000 at the 1983 WC and LV ran 3:59/8:29 just a few days apart.
Age will have the same effect no matter what Quigley does. What's "bracket" racing?

Mo and Decker were both juiced so anything they did is not a particularly relevant example.

4 years ago 07/07/2019 2:53pm EDT

re: JohnMD1022

JohnMD1022 wrote:
need a better ... wrote:
We need a better example than Mohammed Farah. Farah did not move down from 5000m to 1500m. Bracket racing is normal. That is all Farah was doing. Farah knew not to race 1500m in Olympics &/or W.C. Jenny Simpson moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m at age 22. Can you name any elite runner who moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m in their late twenties?
George Young, for may years our best at 3000SC ran 3:59.6 at age 34.

George Young is a weaker example. No Olympic 1500m performance for Young.

Thank you for the research effort.

4 years ago 07/07/2019 5:42pm EDT

re: Just stop already

Just stop already wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Mo did run 3:28 without 2 years of focus; had he done so, would he have set the WR? His specialty was 5/10 so he ran the 1500 at championships. What do you think is the difference in training between the 2 distances? There have been many milers that have run up to 100mpw.
Decker won the 1500/3000 at the 1983 WC and LV ran 3:59/8:29 just a few days apart.
Age will have the same effect no matter what Quigley does. What's "bracket" racing?
Mo and Decker were both juiced so anything they did is not a particularly relevant example.

"What about Hillary" would have been just as meaningful a response.

4 years ago 07/08/2019 8:48pm EDT

re: SDSU Aztec

She is racing a 1500m tomorrow in LA so we will see what she does

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