"Transgender Track Star Claims To Be “Disadvantaged” Racing Against Girls"

Prove me wrong wrote:

I have come to my own conclusion that Semanya is ok.

If she is all natural, born with ovaries and lady parts, can get pregnant, can nurse a baby, no medical alterations, that’s just the way it is.

She scored the genetic athletic lottery.

The error in your logic is she can't get pregnant, she has testes, etc. Individuals that have DSD typically have as many if not more male characteristics than female ones. The biggest one being their bodies fire off 10+ times as much testosterone as your typical female when they go through puberty, pretty much rarely menstruate. Basically when they hit puberty, their bodies behave more like a man's than a woman's.

XX no Y wrote:

People with XX chromosomes compete in the women’s category and that’s it... no if’s, ands or buts. Absolutely no mandatory surgery, hormone-suppression treatments, et al. to compete as a woman. No governing body should encourage or require invasive treatments like these. If someone wants to do that on their own for personal reasons, that’s their business, but it should not be made mandatory by a third party. To me, allowing certain competitors to adjust their hormone levels, no matter the reason, is against the very essence of a clean sport. I see no difference in an XY person reducing their testosterone levels vs. an XX person increasing their levels using artificial means.

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I find the cavalier approach to irreversible hormone treatment and surgery by trans supporters sickening.

You can’t claim transgenderism is natural and just who they are while also saying they need invasive surgery and irreversible hormone treatments.

Ffs hormone treatment used to be a punishment for gays, now it’s sign of progress?

What’s next we will encourage anorexic people to have liposuction?

Annoying there isn’t a straight shot of facts on any of this. I don’t want the XX Y XXX donkey show IAAF talking points.

All I need to know is- what has she got, what do they produce and if she went to boot camp, which barracks would they put her in.

So she has crypto testes or what?

what is this website's obsession with transgender people?

rojo wrote:

Curious. Someone posted on here that most MTF transgender people keep their penises. Is that true?

I mean it's not a penis that makes a man faster than a woman(if anything a penis probably slows you down but the balls are what are big) but that shocks me if true.

Someone should have told Usain his 'gear' was slowing him down. I'm sure he would have considered streamlining through surgical removal.

It's just the gall and the attitude that is so upsetting. Trans people have had to endure quite a bit but suggesting she is a "trailblazer" is a slap in the face to women. She is no trailblazer.

Ummmm......Cece might just be one of the dumbest humans on the planet. Unbelievable.

obsessed wow wrote:

what is this website's obsession with transgender people?

Because it’s a dog eat dog world and I gots to know what kind of rooster I’ll be facing Friday at Doha.

Vote for me and the federal gummint will pay for pee-pee removals.

Prove me wrong wrote:

I have come to my own conclusion that Semanya is ok.

If she is all natural, born with ovaries and lady parts, can get pregnant, can nurse a baby, no medical alterations, that’s just the way it is.

She scored the genetic athletic lottery.

Marion Jones (minus all the drugs she took) scored the genetic lottery too but she screwed the pooch.

Tiny lithe distance females who don’t take drugs but are all legs, tiny torso and big lungs, - genetic athletic lottery.

Males- they say Manzano had larger heart blood volume capacity. Super cool. Genetic athletic lottery.

Lebron, all of them etc. hard work with no peds, genetic lottery.

You are medically wrong about Semenya.

1) She has no "lady parts" - no ovaries, no uterus. There is no way she could give birth to a child of her own.

2) She basically was born with men's parts (she has internal testes) save for the penis as she has XY chromosomes.

As a result, not knowing the specifics of her exact anatomy, there is some slim chance she might be able to father a child through a medical use of her internal testicles but zero chance she'd give birth.

I don't want to make this a political issue in terms of party but the problem is it's hard not to. My friend who was speechwriter for HRC is up in arms about this. She is an exception as everyone in the DEM party is scared to death about being labelled as a bigot. Her plan is to try to lobby gay house members as they are sort of immune to that label.

Every single democrat in the house of representatives except for one in the co-sponsored the Equality Act which has no Title IX exception. If that every became law without a title IX exception, I think we might kiss wome'ns sports and the 2028 Olympics good bye. Some argue that since the bill doesn't mention sports then Title IX wouldn't be impacted. Ok, how about just writing it in to make sure that the courts don't interpret it differently?

I mean look at the CT HS scene. The bill would basically put the CT rules nationwide so I think it would impact sports.

I literally can't believe there aren't mass protests of this but everyone is scared to be labelled a bigot.

I mean I've toned down this post myself for 10 minutes making sure it isn't written in an offensive way.

This is another

I am a parent of one of the Finalists and I wanted to thank you for the very specific information in this post. Also, for the logic expressed in this and many other posts by others. My life has revolved around athletics my entire life and this absolutely confounds me that this was allowed to happen. Hopefully, continued, measured debate on this subject will bring about a logical conclusion sometime in the near future.

I was originally referring to this post.

It's true. The vast majority of MtF transgender people today - nearly 90% - have not had & will probably never get any genital surgery whatsoever. In other words, nine out of ten transwomen still have what used be known as their "manhood."

I could cite numerous sources on PubMed for this figure, but perhaps the best source to go to is the US's leading transgender think tank, the Williams Institute at UCLA. The Williams Institute's figures not only come directly from the trans community & one of its most respected & authoritative bodies, but these figures are accepted without question by even the most extreme of today's bellicose trans activists:

In a nationwide survey of 27,000 transgender Americans conducted in 2015 & published in 2016, the Williams Institute found that only 11-12% of MtF transgender respondents reported having undergone genital surgery of any kind. Which means 90% (I'm rounding, sue me) still have their dicks & balls.

It's because of this little-known but centrally important fact that we're now constantly having all these ridiculous conversations about such absurd issues as to what level & for how long MtFs should have to lower their testosterone in order to compete in women's sports. If MtFs routinely got "sex re-assignment surgery" like they all did back in the '60s & '70s when transsexualism first became a household word, the issues around T suppression we're forced to grapple with today would be entirely put to bed because no testicles means no more male levels of T.

Of course, this still wouldn't make it fair for them to compete in girls & women's sports, at least not if they'd gone through male puberty.

But at least it would spare us all from having to spend any more precious time discussing whether full-grown adult MtF athletes should have to lower their T to 10nmol/L or 5nmol/L or whatever to compete as women; arguing with idiots who claim "there's no proof" that male levels of T give intact men who identify as women any physiological benefits that really matter in sports; & listening to arrogant, clueless, T-fuelled MtF athletes who've cleaned up in women's sports complain that they're actually the ones who are the most disadvantaged athletically (& all other ways too), even & especially compared to biological females.

You don't care about Dual Meets? This isn't a buffet. They either can compete or they can't (I prefer the latter). This is unfair!

This is totally right. The problem is that the radical left is very vocal and has been able to shutdown mainstream liberals mostly out of fear. We should be concerned when the far left or the far right is gaining power, bad things happen in both cases.

It is totally ridiculous that an XY is allowed to compete against XX in the name of inclusion. The is no way to make that a fair competition in running. You can dope up a top XX as much as you want and they will never be a top XY runner. Yet for some reason people think it can be done fairly the other direction.

I’m all for freedom of expression, while recognizing that your insults about Telfer’s supporters as mentally retarded* are just as useful and accurate as their comments that you and her other detractors as bigots.

Some reasonable, intelligent people (moderates) have pointed out that in this situation the goal of societal inclusion for transgender people conflicts with the goal of fair competition in athletics.

The Telfer case has shown that it is probably not possible to have it both ways. Reasonable, intelligent people (moderates) need to decide which goal must prevail. Based on their rules in general, it is fair not to presume that the folks at the NCAA are reasonable, intelligent moderate people.

* The new acceptable term for mental retardation is intellectually disabled, and it actually requires an IQ of less than 70, not less than 80.

crazy times wrote:

"You can dope up a top XX as much as you want and they will never be a top XY runner."

I don't know, Jarmila and Marita at their doped to the gills best could handle Caster in a 800 and 400. But they probably couldn't hang with the guys.

Does the NCAA test hormone levels? They do seem to require proof of hormone suppression in order for trans women to compete with other women.