Coaches have all the power in this situation and they don't want to talk to some helicopter parent that needs to do everything for their baby. They want the kids to be able to talk for themselves and function in society. If you want to have your kid to be a bit turn off to coaches then (as the parent) do all their talking for them. The real way you do it (as a parent) is hide the fact that you are doing their talking for them and help them write e-mails and text messages to the coach.
Crazy. Next thing you know, employers are going to start banning parents from interviews.
RunninReed wrote:
american dad wrote:
My daughter filled out a few questionnaires and emailed those coaches, but hasn't heard anything back from them and it's been a few weeks. She's a sophomore who has run 4:55 in the 1600. She hasn't contacted big schools yet, just smaller schools where her times would be very competitive.
Are the coaches ignoring her? Or maybe they aren't allowed to contact her yet because she's young? What do you think.
I'll offer my perspective as an NCAA coach:
I really don't think she is unwanted. There is not a school in the country who wouldn't have at least some interest in a 4:55 girl.
While many programs have different recruiting timelines, most don't start going heavy into the relationship-building phase until midway through junior year at the absolute earliest. Many will begin the summer prior to senior year, and some will even wait until that fall. It certainly doesn't mean schools aren't interested. It boils down to the fact that track and field recruiting, unlike many other sports, is more fluid and "never-ending." Coaches are more interested in 2020 graduates at the moment. And some are even still working on 2019!
As a rising junior, your daughter can start to be contacted on June 15, per NCAA rules.
College track coaches are lazy for the most part and don’t reall put forth an effort. Home visits, calls to the coachnis the norm in football or volleyball. You’ll see coaches at footlocker, local ones maybe at state but not power 5 coaches.
I think for college coaches the sport does the work for them. It's pretty obvious who is a good sprinter, distance runner, or shot putter just by looking at their marks. Taking that to the next level and it SHOULD BE fairly obvious how they are going to do. But say football for example they are playing against boys that suck and then they have play against men that are good. With the top few in football it's obvious they are going to do well but with the rest it's not. How many sacks you get in high school doesn't really equate to what you will do in college. How fast you run the 100 in high school tells you what they can already run in college.
NCAA Investigations wrote:
Div I aren't allowed to contact until June 15th prior to senior year. Div II aren't allowed to contact until June 15th prior to junior year.
Does that mean they can't "reply" to contacts made "to" them as well?
If your daughter's name is Alexandra "Alex" Forrest, them coaches gonna be sorry!
Coachy Coach wrote:
I think for college coaches the sport does the work for them. It's pretty obvious who is a good sprinter, distance runner, or shot putter just by looking at their marks. Taking that to the next level and it SHOULD BE fairly obvious how they are going to do. But say football for example they are playing against boys that suck and then they have play against men that are good. With the top few in football it's obvious they are going to do well but with the rest it's not. How many sacks you get in high school doesn't really equate to what you will do in college. How fast you run the 100 in high school tells you what they can already run in college.
Everything Coachy Coach has said up to this point is correct.
College track & field and cross country is not football, basketball, baseball, or hockey.
There is very little money involved.
Coaches have thousands of kids to recruit from (Do you realize that over 4000 high school boys in America each year run under 2 minutes for the 800? This is well documented by websites, except for the fact many marks are not
reported by the high school coach. Similar marks are achieved by athletes of both genders in every event.)
As a college coach how many kids do you want to deal with? Do you really want your kid to be the one who is known to have the pushy parents?
Coachy Coach, myself, and others did not say parents should not be involved at all. Of course you care about your kid and help them in as many ways as possible. That is why you Do Not talk to the coach or email him unless he asks you to, and in some cases he will.
Many parents think their kid is so great college coaches should come running. But you have to understand there are so many great kids that get overlooked every year. Be smart. Do the leg work and have your kid do some as well.
You will not learn all there is to learn about recruiting on LRC, any more than you will learn all there is to learn about
electricity. It's complicated and hard work for college coaches.
Kickapoo wrote:
no snap shots wrote:
Has your daughter only improved two or three seconds on her 1600m from 8th grade? Next April or May, dad, pick up the phone and call coaches. Did Bud Fox email Gordon Gekko? People get 100 emails a day.
NO. Coaches want to work with kids not parents. They want to see that the student-athlete is mature
enough to handle their own problems and not have to rely on mommy and daddy. In addition the norm is for the
athlete to recruit the college. Colleges do not recruit students. (4:55 does not make her the next Gabe Grunewald.)
Do as much as you can to help your kid. But let the kid send the emails and make the phone calls unless the coach wants to talk to you.
gahagand wrote:
american reality wrote:
fake post. no 10th grader ran 4:55 this year. nice try shill.
There are 10 sophomores who have run a 4:55.xx in the 1600 this year. Any one of them could be this man's daughter.
She has lots of potential. I had a niece who got letters from coaches when she was in high school.
She even got some DI letters. But she did not get any from local DI coaches. That made me angry.
But she got revenge by beating most of the girls recruited by those schools when she was in college!
Do not blame the coaches though, it's hard to find a needle in a haystack and that is recruiting.
Question ~ wrote:
NCAA Investigations wrote:
Div I aren't allowed to contact until June 15th prior to senior year. Div II aren't allowed to contact until June 15th prior to junior year.
Does that mean they can't "reply" to contacts made "to" them as well?
Technically, yes, it does mean they can't reply but a 'NCAA rules prohibit any contact with a sophomore until June 15th after sophomore year' reply would probably be okay
They can't reply.
Ncaa ruler wrote:
They can't reply.
technically, yes...but they probably wouldn't get in much deep water with a 'NCAA rules prohibit any contact with a sophomore until June 15th after sophomore year' reply.
Parents can be a part of the process, but your daughter needs to be the leader and primary communicator. Ultimately she is the one that will be working with the person on a daily basis, so she needs to start the conversations now. There's nothing wrong with sitting down and drafting an email together and talking about options, as long as she is sending it and has real input. As as college freshman, she needs to be confident enough in her communication and relationship with her coach to talk to them when she's struggling. If you do the communicating for her now, she's losing out on opportunities to start that process.
You will have plenty of opportunities to communicate with coaches from a parent perspective when she starts going on visits.
shes too young.call back when shes a senior.
You are way too early to be worried. In my somewhat limited experience, only runners in that finish in top 5-10 at NXN or FL will be heavily recruited. Also, remember that top programs are recruiting kids out of Europe, Australia, New Zealand etc... so you don't really know half the people she is competing against for scholarships (no one in the USA heard of Jennifer Hull in high school, who is now a treasure at Oregon). If she is a top 20 NXN/FL runner as a junior you then should expect to get some more interest from top D1 programs.
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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