Signs of not eating enough

I can get away with two or sometimes three runs in a 36 hour period without eating, but most people are not fat-adapted to that extent and the body freaks out. The way you are doing it, you neither benefiting from the fasting period nor or you eating enough calories to satisfy your body's demands for calories. It ain't that hard; throw a couple of Clif Bars in a bag with a banana or grab a Sausage McMuffin with egg and hash browns...

ohia wrote:

1. hungry

This,

also dying.

what exactly is the point in this thread if, instead of listening to the advice, you're countering everything with a feeble excuse.

There is no logic behind having no breakfast, it's blindingly obvious why you feel cold, tired and hungry and you still haven't explained why it's so important to you that you eat the majority of your calories later in the day?

Eat as much as you can healthily with lots of protein. If you start to put on weight, drop it back.

spraggot wrote:

what exactly is the point in this thread if, instead of listening to the advice, you're countering everything with a feeble excuse.

There is no logic behind having no breakfast, it's blindingly obvious why you feel cold, tired and hungry and you still haven't explained why it's so important to you that you eat the majority of your calories later in the day?

It’s sort of an insurance policy to prevent me from consuming too many calories daily.

Orthorexia Nervosa:

"Although not formally recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, awareness about orthorexia is on the rise. The term ‘orthorexia’ was coined in 1998 and means an obsession with proper or ‘healthful’ eating. Although being aware of and concerned with the nutritional quality of the food you eat isn’t a problem in and of itself, people with orthorexia become so fixated on so-called ‘healthy eating’ that they actually damage their own well-being."

I had a roommate who was textbook "Orthorexic." It was to the point where it was incredibly difficult for us friends of his to be social with him as everything had to be planned secondary to his primary concern which was his eating schedule. It had consequences on his professional life as well.

I'm not saying this is you. I'm not saying this isn't you. I'm not asking you to read about orthorexia and reflect on yourself.

I do think that you should find someone who can reflect on your relationship with food with you.

https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/learn/by-eating-disorder/other/orthorexia

I saw your thread about running manual labour and running 80 miles per week. Yeah, if you are restricting your intake based on quality of food it is going to be very difficult to get enough fuel into yourbody. I have worked in manual labour and one thing I know is that because your body is constantly working, you get SO hungry, your body needs constant carbohydrate intake (especially if you have a fas metabolism) and eating healthy 100% of the time is unrealistic. I mean sure, you can eat loads of bananas and nuts but you are going to get very tired of that very quickly and your body will need veriety and high protein. As long as you’re making sensible choices 70 or 80% of the time, macros are what are truly important. You want 40 or 50% carbs daily and an equal (25/30%) balance of fat and protein.

konrad1198 wrote:

It’s sort of an insurance policy to prevent me from consuming too many calories daily.

So would being 5 lbs heavier make your life worse?

Do you think if you weigh less, you won't have to get up and go to work tomorrow? Will you have women swarming at you? will you make millions? Will you be national 10k champion?

get some perspective.

perspective wrote:

konrad1198 wrote:

It’s sort of an insurance policy to prevent me from consuming too many calories daily.

So would being 5 lbs heavier make your life worse?

Do you think if you weigh less, you won't have to get up and go to work tomorrow? Will you have women swarming at you? will you make millions? Will you be national 10k champion?

get some perspective.

Huh, never thought of it like that.

You are burning so many calories so frequently it is impossible for you to gain an unhealthy amount of weight.

Eventually losing weight in running will give you diminishing returns. Just because you can weight 150 doesn’t mean you necessarily should.

track chick wrote:

3200 doesn't sound very much, I eat 2500 most days and that's with no running, to maintain pretty much underweight... some people need more than you think. Why do you save calories for later in the day, doesn't make sense? Unless you're trying to restrict them. I wouldn't weigh anything, seems pointless, just eat healthy whole foods, lots of variety and nice things, try to enjoy yourself, relax a bit on it. You will need tonnes more food working on a farm!

Can I ask what your lifestyle is like that you are able to eat so many calories while not running and maintain weight? I'm also a female, I run 40mpw, and I will gain weight if I eat 2500 calories a day. I need to be at/below 2000 to lose weight and I'm probably on the heavy side for a runner. Does it really just come down to simple metabolism in differences like these or perhaps you lead a more active day to day lifestyle? I work a desk job outside of my running schedule.

Isn’t it as simple as are you losing weight?

I’ve always gauged my diet by weight, if I start losing weight I know to eat more, if I start gaining weight, eat less. Any reason why it isn’t this simple?

Yes, but my question is aimed at figuring out how someone who doesn't run at all can eat 2,500 calories as maintenance while I run 40 mpw and this amount of calories would cause me to gain. I figure there must be other differences in our lifestyles else she is one of the rare few who has an absurdly fast metabolism. 2,500 calories without running (or any other kind of activity outside the norm) for a woman points to a high metabolism)

If your goal is to just be lean and fit, then exercise more. If you add a second workout to your day, you can stop worrying about calories and focus on eating a lot of good healthy foods.

another track wrote:

Yes, but my question is aimed at figuring out how someone who doesn't run at all can eat 2,500 calories as maintenance while I run 40 mpw and this amount of calories would cause me to gain. I figure there must be other differences in our lifestyles else she is one of the rare few who has an absurdly fast metabolism. 2,500 calories without running (or any other kind of activity outside the norm) for a woman points to a high metabolism)

What I find is that no matter how intense my interval sessions are or no matter how many calories I burn on a run, if I don’t spend the rest of the day doing something lightly active (cleaning, stacking things at work, walking) then I won’t really burn fat. Working a desk job will slow your metabolism, your metabolism isn’t just how many calories you take in or burn during an hour long run, it’s more complicated than that because the metabolism is a constant energy source and what you do spread over 24 hours is going to impact it more than what you do for one hour a day.

It’s also genetic/hormonal. Some women have genetically slower metabolisms and other women find it much harder because they produce a lot more child-bearing hormones than another woman. Child-bearing hormones will programme the body to store onto fat at all costs.

another track wrote:

Yes, but my question is aimed at figuring out how someone who doesn't run at all can eat 2,500 calories as maintenance while I run 40 mpw and this amount of calories would cause me to gain. I figure there must be other differences in our lifestyles else she is one of the rare few who has an absurdly fast metabolism. 2,500 calories without running (or any other kind of activity outside the norm) for a woman points to a high metabolism)

I was more replying generally, not specifically to you

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Isn’t it as simple as are you losing weight?

I’ve always gauged my diet by weight, if I start losing weight I know to eat more, if I start gaining weight, eat less. Any reason why it isn’t this simple?

Not necessarily. As someone who struggled with an eating disorder in my past, I was running 70-80mpw, eating around 1000 calories a day, and NOT losing any weight. My body was in total starvation/panic/freakout mode.

I went into eating disorder treatment, cut my mileage to 20-30mpw, started eating 3500- 4000 calories a day, and LOST weight.

The body is strange. It's not as simple as calories in, calories out.

But the OP definitely has disordered eating. Please seek help. It's *really* not worth it to live like that. Life is so much better when you are constantly starving. It takes awhile, but you will learn to trust your hunger/fullness cues again.

And for what it's worth, 10 years removed from treatment, my weight has virtually stayed identical (give or take 5 pounds) from when I was starving myself and running 70-80mpw to now (which is feeding myself properly and running 30-40mpw).

Good luck, OP.

Probably the desk job tbh. The running is good but it probably just is an equalizer for sitting at a desk all day. I don’t think ur eating is an issue. Can you get up and move around at work? Even a lunch walk or after work if you run in the AM

Look up IOC Consensus Statement on RED-S.