Magness was slammed for Barazza falling in steeple. Stanford and IU coaches too?

He wasn't slammed because his guy fell. He was slammed because his guy ran terrible tactics and went out way too hard leading to him blowing up over the last lap. The two falls today weren't the result of poor tactics.

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He wasn't slammed because his guy fell. He was slammed because his guy ran terrible tactics and went out way too hard leading to him blowing up over the last lap. The two falls today weren't the result of poor tactics.

All three runners fell because they were too tired. Not surprised by the double standard as people love to hate on Magness for no reason.

The Indiana kid fell because he was tired, Fahy fell because he was focused on the finish line and not the last hurdle.

Fahy definitely fell asleep while going over the last barrier. He was mentally tired and it nearly cost him. His hurdling form looked pretty good, but he did look to be focused on what his next step was going to be rather than clearing the barrier.

titfortat wrote:

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He wasn't slammed because his guy fell. He was slammed because his guy ran terrible tactics and went out way too hard leading to him blowing up over the last lap. The two falls today weren't the result of poor tactics.

All three runners fell because they were too tired. Not surprised by the double standard as people love to hate on Magness for no reason.

The runners in the 2019 steeple that fell did not fall because they were tired. The fell because they were sprinting and struggled to execute technical aspects of hurdling at fast speeds. Fahy closed in 66 seconds over probably 420 meters (due to the outside water jump) INCLUDING HIS FALL. Probably would have been equivalent to 56 or 57 if it was a 400 over barriers and water jump if he didn't fall.

It was not poor race tactics - it was a slow race. The IU kid probably started his kick a little early, if you want to nitpick. But what Magness and Barrazza did were incredibly dumb and they rightfully deserved to be criticized.

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titfortat wrote:

All three runners fell because they were too tired. Not surprised by the double standard as people love to hate on Magness for no reason.

The runners in the 2019 steeple that fell did not fall because they were tired. The fell because they were sprinting and struggled to execute technical aspects of hurdling at fast speeds. Fahy closed in 66 seconds over probably 420 meters (due to the outside water jump) INCLUDING HIS FALL. Probably would have been equivalent to 56 or 57 if it was a 400 over barriers and water jump if he didn't fall.

It was not poor race tactics - it was a slow race. The IU kid probably started his kick a little early, if you want to nitpick. But what Magness and Barrazza did were incredibly dumb and they rightfully deserved to be criticized.

You can’t honestly tell me that Michalski failed to get his lead leg high enough on the water jump for any reason other than fatigue.

Barazza wasnt going to win even if he didnt fall. You could tell 20 m before he hit the barrier that he had nothing left

titfortat wrote:

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He wasn't slammed because his guy fell. He was slammed because his guy ran terrible tactics and went out way too hard leading to him blowing up over the last lap. The two falls today weren't the result of poor tactics.

All three runners fell because they were too tired. Not surprised by the double standard as people love to hate on Magness for no reason.

The Magness hate (fairly or unfairly) is for a reason.

I’m sure that Magness has a 17 page dissertation on why he had barraza go out at 15 seconds faster than his then steeple or. Like sending him out at 13:10 pace for 5k

totfortat wrote:

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The runners in the 2019 steeple that fell did not fall because they were tired. The fell because they were sprinting and struggled to execute technical aspects of hurdling at fast speeds. Fahy closed in 66 seconds over probably 420 meters (due to the outside water jump) INCLUDING HIS FALL. Probably would have been equivalent to 56 or 57 if it was a 400 over barriers and water jump if he didn't fall.

It was not poor race tactics - it was a slow race. The IU kid probably started his kick a little early, if you want to nitpick. But what Magness and Barrazza did were incredibly dumb and they rightfully deserved to be criticized.

You can’t honestly tell me that Michalski failed to get his lead leg high enough on the water jump for any reason other than fatigue.

he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

Magness is a TUE cheat just like Carl Lewis

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totfortat wrote:

You can’t honestly tell me that Michalski failed to get his lead leg high enough on the water jump for any reason other than fatigue.

he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

Barraza ran the fastest 2nd to last lap of the entire field last year. Doesn’t quite fit the falling apart narrative.

But who cares. Why does it bother you so much?

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totfortat wrote:

You can’t honestly tell me that Michalski failed to get his lead leg high enough on the water jump for any reason other than fatigue.

he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

"Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil."

Care to explain what this means? It does makes sense that without evil fatigue distance running would be dominated by sprinters.

Fenwick wrote:

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he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

Barraza ran the fastest 2nd to last lap of the entire field last year. Doesn’t quite fit the falling apart narrative.

But who cares. Why does it bother you so much?

Exactly - a lot of revisionist history on display here.

Fenwick wrote:

not true at all wrote:

he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

Barraza ran the fastest 2nd to last lap of the entire field last year. Doesn’t quite fit the falling apart narrative.

But who cares. Why does it bother you so much?

Lol he didn't fall on the second to last lap. Are you serious? He straight up died.

Did you even watch the race?

Fenwick wrote:

not true at all wrote:

he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

Barraza ran the fastest 2nd to last lap of the entire field last year. Doesn’t quite fit the falling apart narrative.

But who cares. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, the narrative is that Barraza didn't save enough energy for the last lap. You are the one changing the narrative to focus on the 2nd to last lap. Anyone watching the race can see his form falling apart and the fatigue setting in.

You seem pretty butthurt about it, you are probably Magness defending himself.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

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he stutter-stepped big time heading into the water jump because he's not comfortable doing it at fast speeds. Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil. If you get to the last water jump in a steeple and you aren't fatigued at all, you've probably already been lapped by the leaders.

Again, these runners paced it well enough to speed up on the last lap. Barrazza was dying on his last lap and drastically slowing down. He had no chance of getting over the remaining barriers because he was toast.

"Fatigue as always plays a role, but it's a necessary evil."

Care to explain what this means? It does makes sense that without evil fatigue distance running would be dominated by sprinters.

How dumb do you have to be to not understand that you should be fatigued on the last lap? But there's a difference between being so tired that you are slowing down a lot (Barraza) and being tired but still able to speed up and sprint.

Fahy was trying to close in 57 second 400 pace (he ended up running a 66 for a 420m lap including a fall). If he was fresh and tried to run that on his first lap, it would have been no problem. But trying to run that speed on the last lap of the race is tough.

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Fenwick wrote:

Barraza ran the fastest 2nd to last lap of the entire field last year. Doesn’t quite fit the falling apart narrative.

But who cares. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, the narrative is that Barraza didn't save enough energy for the last lap. You are the one changing the narrative to focus on the 2nd to last lap. Anyone watching the race can see his form falling apart and the fatigue setting in.

You seem pretty butthurt about it, you are probably Magness defending himself.

The 2nd to last lap is the last split we have. So you’re saying he went from running as fast or faster than those behind him to dying in the 70 meters of the last lap he ran before he went down? Of which none was shown on TV?

I went back and split the last 100m we have of Barraza on the video and he was on 66sec pace so he actually picked it up when you said he was dying.

Let’s end this charade.

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Fenwick wrote:

Barraza ran the fastest 2nd to last lap of the entire field last year. Doesn’t quite fit the falling apart narrative.

But who cares. Why does it bother you so much?

Actually, the narrative is that Barraza didn't save enough energy for the last lap. You are the one changing the narrative to focus on the 2nd to last lap. Anyone watching the race can see his form falling apart and the fatigue setting in.

You seem pretty butthurt about it, you are probably Magness defending himself.

He fell on the first barrier on the last lap. So in your made up narrative, within 75 meters he went from having the most energy in the field to completely falling apart? That’s lunacy. Michalski’s situation is no different, people just want to rail on Magness.