Official 2019 NCAA Outdoor Day 1 Discussion Thread

Question. Why are the sprints qualifiers top 2 per heat and then only time qualifiers? It's leading to what look like some unfair results. In the 400H, the guy who placed 7th overall didn't make it through while a guy who ran almost a second slower and got 14th did.

Ghhhhh wrote:

How did NAU win XC?

1500m: BYU (1 finalist): NAU (0 finalist - nobody here)

3000st: BYU (4 finalists): NAU (0 finalist - nobody here)

10000m: BYU (3 in the top 12): NAU (1 in top 12 - behind BYU #3)

5000m to come... BYU have 2 here and NAU have 3 here

Baxter graduated after that cross season, Lomong is so much worse on the track it's weird, and they had some other guys with injuries.

Oregonducksguy1 wrote:

Suck it up Buttercup wrote:

I'm sure its also "disheartening" for these athletes to give up something they love for two years, watch their bodies and fitness go to waste and have to claw back from the bottom to return to their former selves.

There are two type of NCAA athletes: Those who find excuses of why others are better than them and those who don't care and just want to be the best. Those who are in the former group with you, sit at home and comment on the NCAA champs on letsrun. Those who are in the latter group got to toe the line tonight.

I'm dying at the concept of healthy peak fitness 18-20 year olds "bodies and fitness going to waste" such that they "have to claw back from the bottom" while maintaining an active and healthy lifestyle and traveling around the world.

An active and healthy lifestyle does not equate to aerobic fitness. Surely you know this if you've ever taken a break from running or even just legitimate training. Simply "traveling around the word" or commuted by foot or bike is not going to replace 80 mile weeks.

love this post. Get out and get it done. I was on a very successful team that consisted of both foreign and American athletes. They ALL made me better. Isn't that what we're here for - to find out how we can be the best that we can be? If it's all based on the US only kids, then we are really not challenging ourselves, are we? Well, for me, I needed that challenge. The world is an international competitive marketplace. Yes, our current political situation may put a temporary hold on that idea, but will not stop it. Get past your hold on that elusive Natty or All American title, but on how you got better and became more competitive in life based on your athletic experience.

I did not win any NCAA title. I ran against Africans 6 years my senior. I'm so glad I did. It made me a better person, and a better competitor in business. BTW, I did record 4 All American certificates and was the only American in the top 10 in an NCAA race, so I get the apparent frustration. But for those who compete in today's world, be it NCAA, pro, or business, in my mind, just GSD - Get Sh_t Done.

WHY DID WESTERN KENTUCKY GET DISQUALIFIED FROM THE MEN'S 4x400m RELAY?

Ghhhhh wrote:

How did NAU win XC?

1500m: BYU (1 finalist): NAU (0 finalist - nobody here)

3000st: BYU (4 finalists): NAU (0 finalist - nobody here)

10000m: BYU (3 in the top 12): NAU (1 in top 12 - behind BYU #3)

5000m to come... BYU have 2 here and NAU have 3 here

The same reason Portland got third despite having zero qualifiers for this meet (yes, I know they just added track). Whole different ballgame.

And.... wrote:

not a collegiate athlete wrote:

just so we're clear, Clayton Young won the Utah Gatorade Runner of the Year in 2012

Just in case it wasn't clear to you, this was the championship for the National Collegiate Athletic Association, not an 18-24 age group championship. The NCAA sets the standards, not some butthurt letsrun poster.

Right, and the standards don't make any sense. I ran undergrad, worked for a couple of years and then went back to law school. I still had a year of eligibility left but, when I inquired with the NCAA if I could compete at NCAAs while in law school, I was told no, because my eligibility clock started when I first ran as a freshman and had expired. I was the same age as the BYU guys but couldn't compete. Why does the NCAA say that one person who runs a couple years, then takes time off to spread his religion around the world for a few years, can still compete when he is 25, but someone who takes time off from competing to simply work, cannot even though his time line is identical except swap mission out with work?

BYU Rockin It wrote:

Studies show that runners peak athletically at 21 so these guys are disadvantaged by being older.

Try telling that to Carlos Lopes.

good Lord, that sounds AWFUL....... I hope you are able to somehow recover and still find a way to lead a fulfilling, or at least semi-productive life.

Worker Bee wrote:

Right, and the standards don't make any sense. I ran undergrad, worked for a couple of years and then went back to law school. I still had a year of eligibility left but, when I inquired with the NCAA if I could compete at NCAAs while in law school, I was told no, because my eligibility clock started when I first ran as a freshman and had expired. I was the same age as the BYU guys but couldn't compete. Why does the NCAA say that one person who runs a couple years, then takes time off to spread his religion around the world for a few years, can still compete when he is 25, but someone who takes time off from competing to simply work, cannot even though his time line is identical except swap mission out with work?

That's exactly why the rule is not fair -- because it only benefits BYU students, and no other Non-Mormon collegiate students can do the same thing.

Sure they can. There's other non-religious services you can work for and be exempt from the 5-year rule

Forgot what the Texas heat felt like?

12.8.1 Five-Year Rule. A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official religious missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For international students, service in the armed forces or on an official religious mission of the student's home country is considered equivalent to such service in the United States.

The exceptions are a limited number of jobs for the US government and religious missions, which basically are Mormon missions. Why do religious missions qualify (for a religion that was founded by a fraudster) but, say, taking a leave of absence from college to tend to an ailing relative or work to help pay for a family member in need (say a serious medical issue) doesn't? That's the issue people have. If you are going to let people take off for a Mormon mission, which a lot of people think is a complete joke, then just let everyone take off for any reason.

Worker Bee wrote:

The exceptions are a limited number of jobs for the US government and religious missions, which basically are Mormon missions. Why do religious missions qualify (for a religion that was founded by a fraudster) but, say, taking a leave of absence from college to tend to an ailing relative or work to help pay for a family member in need (say a serious medical issue) doesn't? That's the issue people have.

No... In the examples you mentioned, you could apply for a personal hardship waiver and have your eligibility clock extended. Come on now, it's obvious that's not the real issue people have.

Nothing is a given in the NCAA’s.

There will be surprises. There will be upsets. Especially with the warm temps in the qualifying that takes more out of guy than you think.

Fun

Liberals are crybabies. The NCAA establishes exceptions for helping people which should have liberals applauding. But no, liberals don't like the military or Mormons. Liberals actually hate most people. Nearly anyone taking time off to do volunteer work will be cleared.

i am 24 years old- graduated hs the same year as clayton young, 2012. did my 4 years of d1. now, not only am I done competing, but everyone I ever trained with (freshmen when I was a senior) is done competing in the ncaa. not only would I be a more physically mature athlete- I would also have another 3 years of emotional growth. I think that we sometimes overestimate how mature ncaa athletes are at 18 years old.

Hardloper wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

That's exactly why the rule is not fair -- because it only benefits BYU students, and no other Non-Mormon collegiate students can do the same thing.

Sure they can. There's other non-religious services you can work for and be exempt from the 5-year rule

So do the athletes given an exemption to serve a 2 year mission have 6 years to compete for 4, or 7? Meaning can an athlete take leave for a 2 year mission AND take a redshirt year to effectively have 7 years? For example, can athlete compete for one year, leave on a 2 year mission, compete 1 more year, take a redshirt year, and then still have 2 years of eligibility left? Or does the 2 year mission cancel out the ability to take a redshirt year? If they are allowed 2 years to serve a mission AND allowed to take a redshirt year then that is really ridiculous - in my opinion.