50 Year Old run 4:19 mile at Music City Distance Carnival

Armstronglivs wrote:

there are no old bold steeplers wrote:

Actually, they do. The steeple is a calling as much as a race. P.S. I only ran 9:03 and 3:51, but racing the steeple called to me in a way that is unexplainable to non-steeplers.

That isn't the point. You don't focus on the steeple if your strength is the mile.

Says who? How do you know his strength is the mile?

Evan Jager could probably run a 3:30.

Miler Davis wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That isn't the point. You don't focus on the steeple if your strength is the mile.

Says who? How do you know his strength is the mile?

Evan Jager could probably run a 3:30.

3:32.97 actually. And a 3:53.33 mile PB.

49th wrote:

Everyone seems to be a runner over 50 these days wrote:

Well...what about you? ? Do you run and are you over 50? If you're just a youngster who runs...big deal. The guys over 50 who run should have a good opinion on this. The problem is everyone here can say their over 50 & run but on an anonymous forum like this there's no way of telling. I still think there's a lot of college kids trolling here. Lol.

49. I have a very good idea.

You mean 19 and in college. ?

You’re insane. You and all your sock puppets.

Psycho Alert wrote:

You’re insane. You and all your sock puppets.

So are you...go get a life. Lol.

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

49th wrote:

49. I have a very good idea.

You mean 19 and in college. ?

Never went to college. I feel like I'm 19 and run as fast as I did then.

The steeple was a softer event wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Why would someone who might be capable of running 3.55 or better for the mile choose to focus on the steeple instead, where the best they can do is only 8.31? Actually, they don't.

Bayi, Malinowski, Gregorek. Again.

Bayi was a former wr holder turned to the steeple after his mile career was over due to prior illness and injury. Coe, Ovett, Cram, El G - how many steeples did the great milers run? And an 8.31 steeple requires little more than that the athlete is capable of a 4.05 mile - as another runner here pointed out - that the 8.30- 45 guys he ran against were 4.05-10 milers. Which is what Barton ran.

ArmstrongIsWrongAgain wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Since you are only 13 you wouldn't know that this is taught at medical school.

I have a new phrase for you to parrot: Ad Verecundiam

Sorry to break this to you, but medical doctors and medical researchers are very, very frequently wrong about so many things (happens in a society dominated by big pharma.) So much medical BS is being dispelled by new research these days - long overdue.

I really shouldn’t go out of my way to educated you, its like giving a hand grenade to a baby.

You've just swallowed your own hand grenade. Next time you go to the doctor tell them they don't know what they are doing, you know better, because you've got some Latin phrases stored in the attic you call a brain.

have you given birth too? wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I used to run and I do know something about what age does, but not everything has to be based on personal experience. You might learn that, in time.

I still run and I am old. You were weak for your age. Many are. Some are not.

And I'm sure you, too, were a 4.20 miler at 53. As you continue to think all knowledge must be based on personal experience it appears the bulk of science and indeed civilisation has passed you by.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The steeple was a softer event wrote:

Bayi, Malinowski, Gregorek. Again.

Bayi was a former wr holder turned to the steeple after his mile career was over due to prior illness and injury. Coe, Ovett, Cram, El G - how many steeples did the great milers run? And an 8.31 steeple requires little more than that the athlete is capable of a 4.05 mile - as another runner here pointed out - that the 8.30- 45 guys he ran against were 4.05-10 milers. Which is what Barton ran.

You can be a steepler when injured and ill?

So many strained arguments here to try to prove Barton was really much better than the 4.05 guy he was in his youth - that he was potentially at least a sub-4 or even 3.55 runner. That's a universe faster than what he actually ran. But the reason it is being argued is because it is indeed hard to believe that someone should slow so little from their 20's to their mid-50's (53), so as to become a spectacular age-group world record holder. Interestingly, he is also faster at 53 than he was in his mid-40's, even though the 45 age-group records are some 10 or so seconds faster than for the 50's. As they say, age is just a number. But only for some.

Armstronglivs wrote:

have you given birth too? wrote:

I still run and I am old. You were weak for your age. Many are. Some are not.

And I'm sure you, too, were a 4.20 miler at 53. As you continue to think all knowledge must be based on personal experience it appears the bulk of science and indeed civilisation has passed you by.

I'm not 53 yet and only need to run within 15 seconds of my lifetime best to be accused of doping. I am confident I can do that.

Your whiny ad hominem accusations are funny when the bulk of your own retorts are based on those and strawmen.

But hey, latin phrases and all that.

Malinowski should have done LA then wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bayi was a former wr holder turned to the steeple after his mile career was over due to prior illness and injury. Coe, Ovett, Cram, El G - how many steeples did the great milers run? And an 8.31 steeple requires little more than that the athlete is capable of a 4.05 mile - as another runner here pointed out - that the 8.30- 45 guys he ran against were 4.05-10 milers. Which is what Barton ran.

You can be a steepler when injured and ill?

The word "after" not yet in your vocabulary? You can be a Letsrun poster and mentally ill. You might get better.

Armstronglivs wrote:

As they say, age is just a number. But only for some.

You are starting to slowly absorb this. Well done.

Ventolin or Igy?

Or does Mr Armstronglivs make trifecta with similar patterns of behavior.

Guy Fawkes You wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

And I'm sure you, too, were a 4.20 miler at 53. As you continue to think all knowledge must be based on personal experience it appears the bulk of science and indeed civilisation has passed you by.

I'm not 53 yet and only need to run within 15 seconds of my lifetime best to be accused of doping. I am confident I can do that.

Your whiny ad hominem accusations are funny when the bulk of your own retorts are based on those and strawmen.

But hey, latin phrases and all that.

So you might break 6 minutes?

Tom Petti won’t back down. wrote:

Ventolin or Igy?

Or does Mr Armstronglivs make trifecta with similar patterns of behavior.

This is like going down to the kennels to hear all the dogs barking.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Malinowski should have done LA then wrote:

You can be a steepler when injured and ill?

The word "after" not yet in your vocabulary? You can be a Letsrun poster and mentally ill. You might get better.

You won't. Bayi would have just returned to the mile. But 3:51 wasn't going to cut it anymore.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Guy Fawkes You wrote:

I'm not 53 yet and only need to run within 15 seconds of my lifetime best to be accused of doping. I am confident I can do that.

Your whiny ad hominem accusations are funny when the bulk of your own retorts are based on those and strawmen.

But hey, latin phrases and all that.

So you might break 6 minutes?

By over a minute.