Freakin amazing, Brad Barton was an All American at Weber State and now at the age of 50 rocks a 4:19.
Freakin amazing, Brad Barton was an All American at Weber State and now at the age of 50 rocks a 4:19.
Was that THE Ruben Reina who ran 4:22? He has got to be 53.
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Was that THE Ruben Reina who ran 4:22? He has got to be 53.
Ruben Reina Jr.
That was a great race! There was a Master's woman running her first Mile ever! who ran 5:25 in the same race.
Testosterone is a mighty thing. If you are over 45 I suggested you try it. It will change your life.
testo wrote:
Testosterone is a mighty thing. If you are over 45 I suggested you try it. It will change your life.
I don't like to see claims like that being made without cause. It's a cop out and fairly slanderous.
Honestly I could load up on test. epo and gasoline and not get to 4:19.
This guy was an All American, so it's not like he's some hack that suddenly started running fast. Unless he's popped for a substance, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Such a sign of the times that we now question EVERYTHING. Age of athlete, sex of athlete, whether they are clean at 18 yrs old, clean at 27 yrs. old, clean at 50, clean at 70?! I am now what is referred to as a Grand Master (60+), have moved back to the States just days ago, and am in fairly good shape. I expect I might win my AG at races in this area by quite a margin. Very few will care, but will a handful of my competitors think I'm 'using'? Did those Master athletes that finished well behind Barton look at him askance? Such a bummer. Had a 59 year old in the gym I just joined yesterday, brag that he's got his Dr. prescribing him a lot of testosterone even though his Dr. is recommending against it. This guy competes in regional body building competitions. This is all becoming the norm. We are moving in the wrong direction. These recent busts are a drop in the bucket. It's one step forward, 3 steps back. Crazy times.
EZ10Miler wrote:
testo wrote:
Testosterone is a mighty thing. If you are over 45 I suggested you try it. It will change your life.
I don't like to see claims like that being made without cause. It's a cop out and fairly slanderous.
Honestly I could load up on test. epo and gasoline and not get to 4:19.
This guy was an All American, so it's not like he's some hack that suddenly started running fast. Unless he's popped for a substance, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
The fact is that testosterone prescriptions have been going through the roof, according to the ABC. Doubled in the last 10 years and expected to more than triple in the next 5 years. A lot of old guys are on it. Clearly, sportsmen would benefit the most.
It isn't easy to believe in amazing times for competitors over 50 for a number of reasons. If you were still running and competing since your younger days you would have been incurring more injuries - the wear and tear is unavoidable. That means you can't train as hard - and compete as hard. Getting older, you tire faster - which means, again, you can't train as hard. All this reduces performance. If someone is running 4.19 at age 50, then taking into account injury interruptions, reduced training load over the years, and the natural physical decline that goes with aging, I would expect a runner of that level to have been capable of 3.55-low-3.50's in his prime, at 25, say. But if you were capable of that in your prime you likely would have run it then. And if you were competing then, you were at international level and your career long over by age 50.
testo wrote:
Testosterone is a mighty thing. If you are over 45 I suggested you try it. It will change your life.
***BUll$hit accusations***
For your own sake, I sincerely hope that English is not your first language.
This is a lot more formidable than low 3:50s. Try mid or low 3:40s.
Armstronglivs wrote:
I would expect a runner of that level to have been capable of 3.55-low-3.50's in his prime, at 25, say. But if you were capable of that in your prime you likely would have run it then. And if you were competing then, you were at international level and your career long over by age 50.
Armstronglivs wrote:
EZ10Miler wrote:
I don't like to see claims like that being made without cause. It's a cop out and fairly slanderous.
Honestly I could load up on test. epo and gasoline and not get to 4:19.
This guy was an All American, so it's not like he's some hack that suddenly started running fast. Unless he's popped for a substance, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
The fact is that testosterone prescriptions have been going through the roof, according to the ABC. Doubled in the last 10 years and expected to more than triple in the next 5 years. A lot of old guys are on it. Clearly, sportsmen would benefit the most.
It isn't easy to believe in amazing times for competitors over 50 for a number of reasons. If you were still running and competing since your younger days you would have been incurring more injuries - the wear and tear is unavoidable. That means you can't train as hard - and compete as hard. Getting older, you tire faster - which means, again, you can't train as hard. All this reduces performance. If someone is running 4.19 at age 50, then taking into account injury interruptions, reduced training load over the years, and the natural physical decline that goes with aging, I would expect a runner of that level to have been capable of 3.55-low-3.50's in his prime, at 25, say. But if you were capable of that in your prime you likely would have run it then. And if you were competing then, you were at international level and your career long over by age 50.
So you think that he's a doper because he was only a national class steepler (8:31) during the 90s?
Maybe it's only just now that guys of this caliber have decided to continue their careers as runners. There are currently a few 50+ guys out there with Olympic Trials/Games experience shooting for these age group records. Has that happened before? Maybe that's why we're seeing the records fall.
I am positive that Brad Barton is not on any performance enhancing drugs. I know the guy personally. I have even trained with him a bit. He was my high school coaches teammate in college as well. He is the father of Garrett Barton who ran 4:10 in high school. He has a few more kids that ran pretty impressive times but don't know them.
Brad was an outstanding college athlete. As mentioned, he was all-american in the steeplechase at Weber State. He stopped running seriously but decided to come out of retirement. His college coach helped train him. In 2013, he ran 4:16 to break the 45-49 indoor mile world record. In 2014, he broke the indoor 3000m record running 8:26. Later that year, he broke the steeplechase record running 9:06.
Brad is an amazing guy, he is a motivational speaker. He puts on great magic shows while encouraging people. Here's a shirt clip of him talking to my high school team. It starts after the magic tricks were all done. You can easily find more on YouTube.
The guy shows so much dedication to running. I was always surprised by how long has warm-ups were. Ours was a mile warm-up, static stretching, strides, and a little bit of dynamic. Took about 15 minutes in all. Brad would start warming up long before us and finally join us a couple reps in to the workout (he wasn't able to do the full workouts at that time due to injury not caused by running). He works extremely hard. He was always the first one there and last to leave. He deserves this record and I guarantee you, he did it clean.
He may be a nice guy. I'll take your word for it. But in sports you can't guarantee anything.
Over 40 but haven't mastered the mile. wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The fact is that testosterone prescriptions have been going through the roof, according to the ABC. Doubled in the last 10 years and expected to more than triple in the next 5 years. A lot of old guys are on it. Clearly, sportsmen would benefit the most.
It isn't easy to believe in amazing times for competitors over 50 for a number of reasons. If you were still running and competing since your younger days you would have been incurring more injuries - the wear and tear is unavoidable. That means you can't train as hard - and compete as hard. Getting older, you tire faster - which means, again, you can't train as hard. All this reduces performance. If someone is running 4.19 at age 50, then taking into account injury interruptions, reduced training load over the years, and the natural physical decline that goes with aging, I would expect a runner of that level to have been capable of 3.55-low-3.50's in his prime, at 25, say. But if you were capable of that in your prime you likely would have run it then. And if you were competing then, you were at international level and your career long over by age 50.
So you think that he's a doper because he was only a national class steepler (8:31) during the 90s?
Maybe it's only just now that guys of this caliber have decided to continue their careers as runners. There are currently a few 50+ guys out there with Olympic Trials/Games experience shooting for these age group records. Has that happened before? Maybe that's why we're seeing the records fall.
I didn't say he was a doper. But for the reasons I explained above, you can see why some masters performances arouse scepticism.
He's a nice guy so he can't be a doper. LOL. Bernard Lagat is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. So is Tyson Gay.
EZ10Miler wrote:
testo wrote:
Testosterone is a mighty thing. If you are over 45 I suggested you try it. It will change your life.
I don't like to see claims like that being made without cause. It's a cop out and fairly slanderous.
Honestly I could load up on test. epo and gasoline and not get to 4:19.
This guy was an All American, so it's not like he's some hack that suddenly started running fast. Unless he's popped for a substance, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Testo is angry because he is half the age, drowns in testo-sauce, and cannot run under 5 for the mile.
And 2nd place was 1996 Irish Olympian Shane Healy in 4:22.96. He also broke Nolan Shaheeds 50+ World Record of 4:25.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Over 40 but haven't mastered the mile. wrote:
So you think that he's a doper because he was only a national class steepler (8:31) during the 90s?
Maybe it's only just now that guys of this caliber have decided to continue their careers as runners. There are currently a few 50+ guys out there with Olympic Trials/Games experience shooting for these age group records. Has that happened before? Maybe that's why we're seeing the records fall.
I didn't say he was a doper. But for the reasons I explained above, you can see why some masters performances arouse scepticism.
You are slime. You didn't say he was a doper but you linked his name to a long diatribe about doping.
SlimeDetector wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I didn't say he was a doper. But for the reasons I explained above, you can see why some masters performances arouse scepticism.
You are slime. You didn't say he was a doper but you linked his name to a long diatribe about doping.
Correction: a diatribe about aging. But if the cap fits, you're welcome to it.
At age 50, the issue is not lack of testosterone; it is lack of health. If you can stay healthy and get the training in, you're plenty young enough to run fast.