I really feel for her.
She just wanted to run.
They shouldn’t have false start DQs for races over 400m. Maybe not over 200m.
Those false starts are always accidental. No attempt to gain an advantage.
I’ve seen officials allow the restarts.
I really feel for her.
She just wanted to run.
They shouldn’t have false start DQs for races over 400m. Maybe not over 200m.
Those false starts are always accidental. No attempt to gain an advantage.
I’ve seen officials allow the restarts.
You started the thread dude attracting attention to the guy's post. If you feel so bad, email the brojos to remove your thread. Because here's a thread LRC should delete. I do think the reaction by the restrainer guy was too much and escalated the situation.
Anyone with a Milesplit account can watch the whole thing at the race page. From the time of the initial false start until the second attempted start where she tries to run into the race is about 5 minutes 45 seconds.
She wasn't a favorite or expected to place.
She is a kid and her admittedly poor reaction shouldn't be held too much against her. Hopefully she learns. That's why we have our kids compete.
Those criticizing the coach for trying to help her by physically stopping her from making it worse are misguided. He didn't tackle her and he didn't hurt her. He was stopping her because he cared about her.
Maybe you would have stood idly by and let the tantrum continue. But her coach made a split second decision and I think it was the right one.
I thought it was commonplace for distance races to either charge the first false start to the field, or to effectively give the false starter a "yellow card" and only DQ on the second infraction. I think I recall this happening recently at an NCAA indoor meet, maybe in the women's 3k or 5k, where one of the pre-race favorites jumped but obviously they didn't DQ her.
Also, the video that was posted clearly didn't start recording immediately after the DQ. You can hear someone in the stands yelling to get the race started, so they had obviously been standing around for a while sorting out what happened. This should have given the girl plenty of time to come to terms with what was happening. It also makes it more reasonable that they wanted to simply get the girl off the track so that they could get the race underway -- it's not fair to the other girls to stand around forever while they argue over a decision that was already made.
I've only watched the videos of the start, not the aftermath.
She false started. Pretty clear.
All the other stuff: I don't know, haven't watched, and have no opinion.
But that was certainly a false start.
And all this, by a natural and easy transition, reminds me of this classic thread:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=1708730&thread=1708730
YTR wrote:
Star wrote:
I really feel for her.
She just wanted to run.
They shouldn’t have false start DQs for races over 400m. Maybe not over 200m.
Those false starts are always accidental. No attempt to gain an advantage.
I’ve seen officials allow the restarts.
I agree about the rule. A rule should have reason for existing. False start DQs make sense in a sprint. But if Mo Farah accidentally steps over the line at the start of the Olympic 10k should he DQ? We all know that would not happen.
They do a restart if someone falls in the beginning of the race. Why not in this situation?
Wasn’t there some marathon major a few years back when either Kipsang or Kipchoge false started and the won the race.
Falsey wrote:
I will contradict myself. I think the rule has to exist or else smart runners will jump the gun knowing the race may go on or it wil be recalled until they cut it close enough to let it go. That being said, I would not DQ very many false starts.
That's never happened; even stupid runners wouldn't consider it. Sometimes the starter would hold us longer than expected and someone would jump. It was never on purpose and a half step advantage makes no difference in a distance race. Based on the video, the subject of this thread had no advantage on the field after the false start.
Watcher of starts wrote:
I've only watched the videos of the start, not the aftermath.
She false started. Pretty clear.
All the other stuff: I don't know, haven't watched, and have no opinion.
But that was certainly a false start.
And all this, by a natural and easy transition, reminds me of this classic thread:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=1708730&thread=1708730
No, it wasn't. You don't even know the rules, nor do you know the rules for good trolling.
If you're getting a DQ for that something needs to be changed.
Ridiculous stuff.
Couldn't care less about the reaction afterwards, that's for you dorks to argue about.
Dr Taboo wrote:
There is nothing offensive about this thread. Stop being babies.
Ah the Irony...
trollism wrote:
If you're getting a DQ for that something needs to be changed.
Ridiculous stuff.
Couldn't care less about the reaction afterwards, that's for you dorks to argue about.
+1
A DQ for being off balance right before a mile race is idiotic. Even if someone got a half second head start it wouldn't make a difference in a race 4 laps or longer.
To those comparing it to sprints, you obviously can't compare it. A half second head start in a 100 or 200 is definitely an unfair advantage.
Star wrote:
I really feel for her.
She just wanted to run.
They shouldn’t have false start DQs for races over 400m. Maybe not over 200m.
Those false starts are always accidental. No attempt to gain an advantage.
I’ve seen officials allow the restarts.
This. She lined up wrong and you can see she lost her balance. Heck, even if you want to say that she didn't lose her balance, that's fine. The girl tried to get herself reset and in position to run without an advantage. She didn't continue forward with her moment prior to the gun going off, if anything her trying to reset herself after the flinch caused her to have a late jump compared to everyone else and was at a disadvantage .
I have never seen anyone get a DQover a false start in a distance race. Nor have a seen anyone get a DQ over lining up on the line. Even at the state meet, the official asks everyone to line back up for a restart (if it's a false start) and ask everyone to stand up and reset if someone lines up on the line.
Was the official justified by the rulebook in making the call for a DQ? Yes. Per the rulebook he was justified. You can't argue that. However you can argue that that rule is extremely stupid when applied to distance races like this due to points other posters have made. I understand the girls reaction. Is it justified? Probably not and it does reflect poorly on her, but at the same time, as a high school runner, I completely understand why she felt and reacted that way. All of you calling her entitled are ridiculous. How many pro athletes get pissed off at a call and argue the hell out of it? A lot. Coaches do that all the time as well. Are they always justified? No, not always. But what they are is competitive. They care about their performance, being able to go out there and compete, and this runner is in the same boat. A senior, competing in her last race. Yes she flinched and lined up on the line. How much time would it have taken to just restart the race or like them up again? I would have been pissed, would I have tried to run back into the track? Probably not. It's just not my personality. But to look at this and say she is a poor sportsmen, or entitled is ridiculous. Put yourself in her shoes, in that situation, and tell me how you truly would have reacted to that.
The coach/whoever it was the went after her. That was a dumb move. It only escalated things. Let her make her point, get turned down, and walk off the track after she accepts that the outcome won't change. Sure that maybe have taken a little, but it wouldn't have caused as big of a scene, or controversy as having some coach try and drag her off, and then go after her when she was off the track.
DistanceRunner68 wrote:
Star wrote:
I really feel for her.
She just wanted to run.
They shouldn’t have false start DQs for races over 400m. Maybe not over 200m.
Those false starts are always accidental. No attempt to gain an advantage.
I’ve seen officials allow the restarts.
This. She lined up wrong and you can see she lost her balance. Heck, even if you want to say that she didn't lose her balance, that's fine. The girl tried to get herself reset and in position to run without an advantage. She didn't continue forward with her moment prior to the gun going off, if anything her trying to reset herself after the flinch caused her to have a late jump compared to everyone else and was at a disadvantage .
I have never seen anyone get a DQover a false start in a distance race. Nor have a seen anyone get a DQ over lining up on the line. Even at the state meet, the official asks everyone to line back up for a restart (if it's a false start) and ask everyone to stand up and reset if someone lines up on the line.
Was the official justified by the rulebook in making the call for a DQ? Yes. Per the rulebook he was justified. You can't argue that. However you can argue that that rule is extremely stupid when applied to distance races like this due to points other posters have made. I understand the girls reaction. Is it justified? Probably not and it does reflect poorly on her, but at the same time, as a high school runner, I completely understand why she felt and reacted that way. All of you calling her entitled are ridiculous. How many pro athletes get pissed off at a call and argue the hell out of it? A lot. Coaches do that all the time as well. Are they always justified? No, not always. But what they are is competitive. They care about their performance, being able to go out there and compete, and this runner is in the same boat. A senior, competing in her last race. Yes she flinched and lined up on the line. How much time would it have taken to just restart the race or like them up again? I would have been pissed, would I have tried to run back into the track? Probably not. It's just not my personality. But to look at this and say she is a poor sportsmen, or entitled is ridiculous. Put yourself in her shoes, in that situation, and tell me how you truly would have reacted to that.
The coach/whoever it was the went after her. That was a dumb move. It only escalated things. Let her make her point, get turned down, and walk off the track after she accepts that the outcome won't change. Sure that maybe have taken a little, but it wouldn't have caused as big of a scene, or controversy as having some coach try and drag her off, and then go after her when she was off the track.
Forgot to elaborate on the stupid rule. I think this incidents biggest issue is the rule itself. As I said the official is justified per the rulebook, but I think the NFHS needs to look at changing the rule to allow for more leniency in the mid-distance and distance events due to the standing start, and other factors such as how often the rule is even enforced.
DistanceRunner68 wrote:
Let her make her point, get turned down, and walk off the track after she accepts that the outcome won't change. Sure that maybe have taken a little, but it wouldn't have caused as big of a scene, or controversy as having some coach try and drag her off, and then go after her when she was off the track.
Sure, but per another poster who watched the video didn't she already have 5+ minutes to accept the potential for a DQ? How much time do they need to give her while the other competitors stand around waiting...10 minutes? 20? What if she simply will not accept the outcome and physically will not leave the track? What if she sat down in lane 1 in protest? Does everyone have to wait 30+ minutes for the police to be called to remove her?
The OP did email us and ask to remove the thread. It's served it's purpose. We're going to clean it up and lock it. If you see posts that should be removed please email me wejo@letsrun.com