I have been training middle distance for 3 years at 30 miles each week on average with quality sessions and my best so far is 2:14. Would somebody like me ever have what it takes? I’m going to find out anyway but I also want to be realistic.
I have been training middle distance for 3 years at 30 miles each week on average with quality sessions and my best so far is 2:14. Would somebody like me ever have what it takes? I’m going to find out anyway but I also want to be realistic.
No. Unless you are 10 or something. I am not trying to be mean, just realistic. So few runners ever run 1:48 despite great coaching. There is no workout or training philosophy that can get a 2:14 800m runner to 1:48. To run 1:48 you have to have a ton of natural ability - two tons in fact.
1 out of 1 million type of talent.
1:48!is smoking wrote:
1 out of 1 million type of talent.
I think that estimate is a bit high, about 20 guys did it so far this year in the ncaa, and that represents about 10 million high school graduates in terms of the population being drawn from. Considering a significant portion of people never reach their potential in running, I'd estimate it down to somewhere between 1 in 10,000 and 100,000, (i.e. between the 99.99th and 99.999th percentile) but to your point, it is exceedingly rare.
Part of the natural ability to run that fast is top end speed. You didn't say how old you are, but if you are at least a sophomore and have been running 30 miles a week, you should currently be capable of running a 52 400.
I think that estimate is high... wrote:
1:48!is smoking wrote:
1 out of 1 million type of talent.
I think that estimate is a bit high, about 20 guys did it so far this year in the ncaa, and that represents about 10 million high school graduates in terms of the population being drawn from. Considering a significant portion of people never reach their potential in running, I'd estimate it down to somewhere between 1 in 10,000 and 100,000, (i.e. between the 99.99th and 99.999th percentile) but to your point, it is exceedingly rare.
reaching potential in running is part of the rarity. not everyone can train at that level and stay healthy. not everyone has the mental toughness to stick it out. those are all important factors that must be taken into consideration. Talent includes ability to stay healthy and mental fortitude.
if anything, it's 1 in 2 million, you have to factor in the entire population.
I think that estimate is high... wrote:
1:48!is smoking wrote:
1 out of 1 million type of talent.
I think that estimate is a bit high, about 20 guys did it so far this year in the ncaa, and that represents about 10 million high school graduates in terms of the population being drawn from. Considering a significant portion of people never reach their potential in running, I'd estimate it down to somewhere between 1 in 10,000 and 100,000, (i.e. between the 99.99th and 99.999th percentile) but to your point, it is exceedingly rare.
I don't see how that is relevant, anybody getting within even a 15 second performance within NCAA level times has natural ability that 99% could only dream of.
Even if you were running 2:00 after three years of training it would still be incredibly unlikely that you could get down to 1:48.
1:48 takes incredible genetics...period!
Genetics R Us wrote:
1:48 takes incredible genetics...period!
name the genes.
There are countless people who could run 1:48 if they had access to years of top-level coaching, training, facilities, and especially the drug regimens that top elites have used since the dawn of the sport.
There's a big difference between PED's administered by experts and those used independently. Put a 2:14 runner into the old East German program and I think they could churn out a 1:48 guy if they wanted to.
No. They could run 2:05.
A LOT!!!
If they could take a person who can only run 2:14 on their and turn them into a 1:48, the world record for women would be 1:40 and it would be 1:30 for men. All of the training and drugs can’t knock more than a few seconds off.
Idiot alert wrote:
No. They could run 2:05.
A competent high school coach gets 2:14 to 2:05. We're talking about the GDR athletics program here with all its massed expertise and resources.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Genetics R Us wrote:
1:48 takes incredible genetics...period!
name the genes.
There are countless people who could run 1:48 if they had access to years of top-level coaching, training, facilities, and especially the drug regimens that top elites have used since the dawn of the sport.
There's a big difference between PED's administered by experts and those used independently. Put a 2:14 runner into the old East German program and I think they could churn out a 1:48 guy if they wanted to.
Why do you always pull out this strawman? Just because something hasn't been identified and named yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Genes are responsible for all physical traits.
Why do you not say ALL people could run 1:48? Could it be genes you stupid ass clown?
Bad Wigins wrote:
Idiot alert wrote:
No. They could run 2:05.
A competent high school coach gets 2:14 to 2:05. We're talking about the GDR athletics program here with all its massed expertise and resources.
What was the GDR record?
East Germany is calling wrote:
If they could take a person who can only run 2:14 on their and turn them into a 1:48, the world record for women would be 1:40 and it would be 1:30 for men. All of the training and drugs can’t knock more than a few seconds off.
Ridiculous. Slow runners have more room for improvement because they are doing more wrong. Once you get someone to 1:48, you're well into diminishing returns, too near the limits of human performance to get much better.
I gar-on-tee your average 2:14 guy has terrible form, bad balance, doesn't lift or do plyos, and is approaching the event like a 5k runner instead of a sprinter. Training independently, they are likely to keep plugging away at running slow as hard as they can, instead of finding out how to go faster.
It strikes me I'm probably arguing with people who think running a fast 800 is about extreme aerobic fitness or such nonsense. That accounts for at most a few seconds beyond your trained speed.
The 2:14 OP is already decently trained. A HS coach isn’t going to squeeze any more out of him. The East Germans could pump some drugs into him and get him on intense training to get to 2:05. So if they had women who were capable of 1:58 on normal training, why were they not able to get more than a few seconds more out of them? Only 1 in a million are capable of 1:48.
My guess is that no one on this message board is going to run under 1:48 for 800 meters
Bad Wigins wrote:
East Germany is calling wrote:
If they could take a person who can only run 2:14 on their and turn them into a 1:48, the world record for women would be 1:40 and it would be 1:30 for men. All of the training and drugs can’t knock more than a few seconds off.
Ridiculous. Slow runners have more room for improvement because they are doing more wrong. Once you get someone to 1:48, you're well into diminishing returns, too near the limits of human performance to get much better.
I gar-on-tee your average 2:14 guy has terrible form, bad balance, doesn't lift or do plyos, and is approaching the event like a 5k runner instead of a sprinter. Training independently, they are likely to keep plugging away at running slow as hard as they can, instead of finding out how to go faster.
It strikes me I'm probably arguing with people who think running a fast 800 is about extreme aerobic fitness or such nonsense. That accounts for at most a few seconds beyond your trained speed.
Nope. Top women have good form and balance etc. and they just can't run 1:48 because of genetics.
Do you need to know the name of the gene?
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