Fhhch wrote:
The meet took 4.5 hours due to the fact the calif. state meet has, unified, para, and ambulatory race mixed in, this is new the last few years. Why? While a know it is not politically correct why do the have these races in the meet. Hello, special olympics. They don’t have wheelchair basketball at the state finals.
Wait'll they have the blind events, separate from everything else. That's how bad CA is.
Fhhch wrote:
The meet took 4.5 hours due to the fact the calif. state meet has, unified, para, and ambulatory race mixed in, this is new the last few years. Why? While a know it is not politically correct why do the have these races in the meet. Hello, special olympics. They don’t have wheelchair basketball at the state finals.
They are taking advantage of track and running events.
You don't see them doing the same thing with basketball, baseball and football, because that would not be acceptable.
Either is this.
They need to have their own meet separately, without trying to degrade the State Meet.
Why were the times so slow?
I understand Young didn't need to run any faster, but what about everyone else???
Kev2 wrote:
California is pretty is pretty long to write out
For a decent typist it should take about a second. The six extra letters shouldn't be too big a burden.
Serious question ... wrote:
Why were the times so slow?
I understand Young didn't need to run any faster, but what about everyone else???
2-4 all doubled back after the 1600. I don’t know that sub 9 is all that slow after doubling.
Serious question ... wrote:
Why were the times so slow?
I understand Young didn't need to run any faster, but what about everyone else???
Aside from Young, Strangio, and Anderson it has been pretty slow in California for two years now. Usually we have like 6 or 7 guys under 9 by then end of the year, sometimes a lot more the best year by far being 2017. But right after that it kind of dropped off and the underclass had some big talents that didn’t pan out, and just few that obviously have. I think next year will be a lot faster, with Young and Strangio possibly going after records even in xc season.
Agreed that the depth of the California 3200m hasn't been the same in the past 2 years as it had been for the few years prior. I also think that the tactics of one or a few superior runners can throw a wrench into the race plans of runners who might have been capable of running faster. In this race, it began at a pace that was appropriate for a sub 9 effort for a large group of people as the leaders crossed through 400m in 67 and through 800m in 2:14. At that point, the pack behind them was large and probably finding a nice rhythm. But then Young dropped a 64 and people had to decide between keeping their rhythm and getting dropped early, or being competitive with the leaders. Some of the really good runners who had found mid-pack early positions countered with 63 second 3rd laps to stay close. Although it kept them in contention for the moment, most of those athletes could not survive lap 4, where Young also ran 64. Lap 5 cooled down a little bit as Young ran a 67, but then he returned the pace to 64 for lap 6. Even for a sub 9 minute guy, trying to run 4:20 from laps 3-6 with some inconsistent pacing is going to be enough to disrupt their race. Someone fit to run in the 8:57-8:59 range probably is going to fall short of that if they had taken a risk to go with the leaders. The same thing happened the year that German Fernandez won the state meet 3200m. I think only 2 guys broke 9:00 that year even though the talent coming in suggested that several more had the ability to do so. Meets like Arcadia are about time and pacing is usually pretty even. They set up for a huge number of people to get into their groove, click off even splits, and finish fast. Due to the quality of those fields, most athletes besides the absolute cream of the crop accept that they will not win and are much more focused on running a fast PR. At the state meet, people are trying to win, even if they aren't the person who is supposed to. They take risks in search of glory, which when they don't pan out will negatively affect their times. The bigger the difference between the top couple of athletes and the majority of the field, the more likely it is that the bulk of the field will underperform.
Wonder how much he trains?
Has he been doing high mileage for a long while?
Over trained wrote:
Wonder how much he trains?
Has he been doing high mileage for a long while?
Nobody who runs that fast doesn’t work hard. People focus on mileage, but there are a ton of factors. All those top kids are training hard. The recipes maybe different, but there is no magic training, despite what people think. Someone as talented as Young, Strangio or Anderson would probably be just as successful in many of the top tier programs that work hard.
iiiooo wrote:
Fhhch wrote:
The meet took 4.5 hours due to the fact the calif. state meet has, unified, para, and ambulatory race mixed in, this is new the last few years. Why? While a know it is not politically correct why do the have these races in the meet. Hello, special olympics. They don’t have wheelchair basketball at the state finals.
Agree. I have no problem with those athletes having their competition, but couldn't they hold those events first, before the regular meet started?
But there was 20-25 min dead time between those events and the 200. Certainly you could have the next heat on the line 5 min later.
Also some events had two kids in them. Yet special Olympics has hundreds. Why can they even fill the whole field? Or run them during the trials?
Ozzie wrote:
Agreed that the depth of the California 3200m hasn't been the same in the past 2 years as it had been for the few years prior. I also think that the tactics of one or a few superior runners can throw a wrench into the race plans of runners who might have been capable of running faster. In this race, it began at a pace that was appropriate for a sub 9 effort for a large group of people as the leaders crossed through 400m in 67 and through 800m in 2:14. At that point, the pack behind them was large and probably finding a nice rhythm. But then Young dropped a 64 and people had to decide between keeping their rhythm and getting dropped early, or being competitive with the leaders. Some of the really good runners who had found mid-pack early positions countered with 63 second 3rd laps to stay close. Although it kept them in contention for the moment, most of those athletes could not survive lap 4, where Young also ran 64. Lap 5 cooled down a little bit as Young ran a 67, but then he returned the pace to 64 for lap 6. Even for a sub 9 minute guy, trying to run 4:20 from laps 3-6 with some inconsistent pacing is going to be enough to disrupt their race. Someone fit to run in the 8:57-8:59 range probably is going to fall short of that if they had taken a risk to go with the leaders. The same thing happened the year that German Fernandez won the state meet 3200m. I think only 2 guys broke 9:00 that year even though the talent coming in suggested that several more had the ability to do so. Meets like Arcadia are about time and pacing is usually pretty even. They set up for a huge number of people to get into their groove, click off even splits, and finish fast. Due to the quality of those fields, most athletes besides the absolute cream of the crop accept that they will not win and are much more focused on running a fast PR. At the state meet, people are trying to win, even if they aren't the person who is supposed to. They take risks in search of glory, which when they don't pan out will negatively affect their times. The bigger the difference between the top couple of athletes and the majority of the field, the more likely it is that the bulk of the field will underperform.
this was quite a fantastic analysis
this was quite a fantastic analysis[/quote]
Thank you.
Nico Young is surely a great kid and if he continues like this only the sky can be his limit.
I don't understand why SDSU Aztec is getting so butthurt about people calling California "Cali". It is commonly referred to as Cali and just because you live their doesn't mean you get to attack other people for using the slang term.
Nico Young best in the country next year?
epicTCK wrote:
Ozzie wrote:
Agreed that the depth of the California 3200m hasn't been the same in the past 2 years as it had been for the few years prior. I also think that the tactics of one or a few superior runners can throw a wrench into the race plans of runners who might have been capable of running faster. In this race, it began at a pace that was appropriate for a sub 9 effort for a large group of people as the leaders crossed through 400m in 67 and through 800m in 2:14. At that point, the pack behind them was large and probably finding a nice rhythm. But then Young dropped a 64 and people had to decide between keeping their rhythm and getting dropped early, or being competitive with the leaders. Some of the really good runners who had found mid-pack early positions countered with 63 second 3rd laps to stay close. Although it kept them in contention for the moment, most of those athletes could not survive lap 4, where Young also ran 64. Lap 5 cooled down a little bit as Young ran a 67, but then he returned the pace to 64 for lap 6. Even for a sub 9 minute guy, trying to run 4:20 from laps 3-6 with some inconsistent pacing is going to be enough to disrupt their race. Someone fit to run in the 8:57-8:59 range probably is going to fall short of that if they had taken a risk to go with the leaders. The same thing happened the year that German Fernandez won the state meet 3200m. I think only 2 guys broke 9:00 that year even though the talent coming in suggested that several more had the ability to do so. Meets like Arcadia are about time and pacing is usually pretty even. They set up for a huge number of people to get into their groove, click off even splits, and finish fast. Due to the quality of those fields, most athletes besides the absolute cream of the crop accept that they will not win and are much more focused on running a fast PR. At the state meet, people are trying to win, even if they aren't the person who is supposed to. They take risks in search of glory, which when they don't pan out will negatively affect their times. The bigger the difference between the top couple of athletes and the majority of the field, the more likely it is that the bulk of the field will underperform.
this was quite a fantastic analysis
You think too much. Here is a better one:
Nico Young drooped the field because he is strong and had no fear. No splits involved, the other guys could not hang.
Also recall that those who ran the 1600m had to run a fast Prelims on Friday (took 4:13 to qualify) then Finals on Saturday. So two hard 1600m efforts prior to the 3200m. Nico ran a fresh 3200m.
CalifRunner wrote:
Also recall that those who ran the 1600m had to run a fast Prelims on Friday (took 4:13 to qualify) then Finals on Saturday. So two hard 1600m efforts prior to the 3200m. Nico ran a fresh 3200m.
Think Young could have won the double? Would have been interesting to see how close both the 1600 and 3200 would have been.
I was at the race and Nico was in a class of his own. Very fun to watch live. Something not spoken about was how bad the wind picked up during the 3200m.
Impressed that Belarmine had two sophomores run 9:09. Pretty incredible duo right there.