Transgender woman CeCe Telfer currently sits at #2 in NCAA D2 100 hurdles - Watch her DOMINATE here (video)

One thing transgenderism can't diminish is height. Cece Telfer has the height of a man.

Serious question here:

I wonder what the % of athlete men who transition like this in college and start to identify as a woman continue to try and compete as a woman? They are already an athlete so they have to know the biological advantage they have over their "new competitors".

I respect the ones that either quit sports or continue to compete against other biological men, I however have 0 respect for those that immediately to switch to competing against women with such a massive advantage. If CeCe/Cedric was competing as a guy, he's very mediocre and not much of a contributor to a team from a point scoring standpoint. As a woman however, he immediately becomes a star athlete at the D2 level.

Some are arguing that nobody would switch sides for the purpose of competing. I don't think anyone is claiming they are. The complaint is that they compete despite knowing they have an unfair advantage. I would respect these people if they did not compete as women. I do not care what they do in their personal life.

for the 5th different time, you are wrong. The coach's "Exactly. Couldn't cut it as a male athlete" tweet is saying that the athlete switched genders only to be able to win at sports. He was responding to a tweet that said that. The coach then said "THAT MAN SHOULD NOT BE RUNNING WOMENS RACES"

Those are both clearly insults. This clearly is not a matter of public concern. And even if it is, the coach's comments are are not trying to open an honest conversation on the subject. His comments are an attack against the athlete, not against the rules. His comments are conversation stopper, not starter.

Also for anyone saying the athlete should not be allowed to compete against women, our resident legal expert Taught history should teach you this important legal term - DISCRIMINATION

The Supreme Court allowed transgender people to use bathrooms of the gender they identify as. If anyone was to say they can't compete in that gender, they'd lose a discrimination lawsuit very quickly.

The Left condones male-on-female violence as long as the male identifies as a female:

https://twitter.com/PsycheSpike/status/1133467245173125120

your own words wrote:

Also for anyone saying the athlete should not be allowed to compete against women, our resident legal expert Taught history should teach you this important legal term - DISCRIMINATION

The Supreme Court allowed transgender people to use bathrooms of the gender they identify as. If anyone was to say they can't compete in that gender, they'd lose a discrimination lawsuit very quickly.

Science proves this individual is still a man and has no place competing in women’s sports. It is not possible to change your DNA or chromosomes. It’s time people stand up to this absurdity. It is not discrimination. He can complete as a male, which is his true gender. I can’t believe more women are standing up against this.

If a male was shipwrecked and grew up alone, he wouldn’t know what a woman was. He therefore couldn’t be capable of identifying as one. He certainly wouldn’t dream up having a penis removed and a vagina constructed. Therefore, this is not a natural born condition. Also, if a man says he is a woman, a real woman will say that they are not what he is so they can no longer be a woman but they have no label. I guess they now need to come up with a new name.

There is another transgender athlete in NCAA Track&Field, but they aren't as obvious or as dominant as Telfer so they don't draw the attention. They also sat out a year as well after starting their college career as a male, they competed as a female this past year.

Something that was observed when you watch them run the 100m hurdles is that they don't start on the starting line like you normally would. They actually start a few inches behind the starting line because their steps are off (I am guessing from running the men's 110m hurdles which has a different distance from the start to the first hurdle). Obviously they still have the same stride pattern as before they switched genders and the most important aspect of the 100m / 110m HH is the start to the first hurdle because it sets up the race. It's not like a person shrinks or has a different stride gate just because they put on different clothes and change their name. Those are simple physical facts, I am far from an expert on the effects of hormone therapy though so it is hard to say how it has impacted them overall.

Men won wrote:

If a male was shipwrecked and grew up alone, he wouldn’t know what a woman was. He therefore couldn’t be capable of identifying as one. He certainly wouldn’t dream up having a penis removed and a vagina constructed. Therefore, this is not a natural born condition. Also, if a man says he is a woman, a real woman will say that they are not what he is so they can no longer be a woman but they have no label. I guess they now need to come up with a new name.

this is the best argument i've heard against the liberal wacko's regarding whether gender is cultural/biological or whatever.

men find a way to ruin everything. our lives are so hard because of child birth and thats pain no man can withstand because i saw this article one time that said a main was hooked up to electric nodes to simulate child birth and he couldn't handle the pain

I've written an article on her win here.

I also talked to coach Emerson for 90 minutes. I thought he was great. He acknowledges that he's not sure how he'd react if he was a coach having to face CeCe but as her coach, he did what any good coach should do - met the athletes need and guided her to greatness. He's got 5 kids so it's no like he's in a spot to resign on principle.

A few things that didn't make the article. At one point, I asked him if he thought her win was fair that she is the national champ. I mean he as a man, CeCe ran 57 for 400h. He has a man on the team who ran 54 for 400h this year and didn't even make it to NCAAs.

He replied along the lines of, 'Fair for who? For the sport? Fair for the people she competed against? fair for her? It’s kind of a loaded question. I would say from our perspective, from the work that we did (then he changed to something else but implied it was fair)."

As for the rules, It's not clear if there are any strict requirements which if true is a joke.

I'd also point out the coach Emerson said he felt like as a man that Telfer was talented. He said that he thought she had the potential to make NCAAs in the 110h even though she only ran like 15.1 (normally around 14.3 makes it) . He said she only showed up at practice a few times a week as a man but was super dedicated once she transitioned this year.

But to me that shows it's NOT FAIR. As a man, she was third at her conference meet in the 110hs (and didn't score in the 400h which is where she won her NCAA title). Maybe if she was dedicated she'd have made NCAAs. No way in hell would she be an NCAA champ.

And now the NCAA is going to feature her in its upcoming magazine profile.

I mean the NCAA rules for recruiting are specific as hell. Yet with T levels for transgender, it's wide open???

On some level, I think Cece should be allowed to compete, but Cece shouldn't be allowed to win titles or score points.

I think the same should apply to the individuals in the women's 800m. Let them compete, but come championship season if a country wants to use one of the qualifying spots on the individual, let them, they just won't be allowed to be declared a medal winner regardless of their place/time.

If this was about any other topic you all would be calling bullshit on this coach. It was asked "What would a coach do if his/her male athlete wanted to change?" If you are honest, and mature, you support that person, and you tell them they cannot compete. It is PC trash to say otherwise, and extremely selfish to think otherwise. Biologically this never fair. As a coach it is a huge part of the job to be honest with your athletes without being cruel.

Somewhere along life we decided that disagreeing is a form of cruelty or meanness. Never once thinking that redefining clear things, scientific things like gender, is some form of niceness and understanding. It is irrational and creates irrational conversations. Being PC, and living in the philosophical realm of "Who says 2+2 equals 5?" has resulted in a world of confusion and men competing as women.

As you furiously type your response, because you feel the need to defend the indefensible, think this over, the NCAA has a set of rules for transgender women, but also has a rule that says you cannot request proof or a test of said protocols. There is also the little lie told by the coach. A quick check on TFRRS shows Cece competed as a man last January. Now tell me again how this is fair to the WOMEN? Remember them? Those ladies that worked hard their whole careers to reach the top of the podium, only to see a 6'3" man standing up there in a weave, and make up. I promise many of you defenders, you will feel very different if you saw Cece in person. They are not a woman in any physical way, shape, or form. The physical difference is shocking. Cece is just a bad male athletes, regardless of what he identifies as, off the field of play.

I was the only one fighting transgenders in the Olympics since 2003. The last thing the Olympic lawyer said is "why should you be concerned?" I made numerous calls to the USA Olympic Committee and all International Olympic Committee members from the USA. Like talking to the wind. I knew this was a mess. They used the Olympic decision to influence high school associations, NCAA, pro sports, military, etc. Though we have not seen Olympic athletes who are transgender yet (that we know of), we have seen intersex athletes that are a different category. We may never know if an athlete is transgender at the world-class level because the Olympic Committee does not have to tell you. They got sued big-time at the start of the Semenya intersex deal. Track and field is affected, but what happens when a 6-8 man competes as a woman in basketball at the Olympics. That is coming. You cannot reverse muscle and bone density and the superior cardio system that males have. Hormones does not reverse most superior physical qualities men have over women. There are other physics related benefits that I will not bore everyone with. They need to bar all transgender athletes and keep intersex athletes below 5 nanomoles in every event, not just the 800 through the mile.

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Nicelydone wrote:

I am looking forward to a time when there will only be men in top competitions. Then at last its fair because the best athletes are competing. Dont make extra categories for people because of race, sex or Hair colour

I like watching REAL WOMAN compete, some of the best looking girls in the World are Track Athletes, I don't want Men who pretend to be Woman or who are so messed up in the head that they think they are woman to replace REAL WOMAN.

Finally, a man who is honest about his gender politics and why this is such a 'big' issue.

I'm sure one transgender athlete in Div II is going to turn the world of athletics upside down. The women of Div II are up in arms, clearly.

Rojo: your polemical posts are a disgrace.

As for increased motivation: One thing could be that CeCe is more motivated now because she is in a mentally better state than before the treatment/transition. But another obvious motivational factor seems to be that one is more motivated if one will win most the time than if one will usually end up far behind the winners...

This, and every other example like this is an abomination. Actual, biological female track athletes should be offended, outraged and vocal. But given the PC nature of this society these days, I don't anticipate that happening. Sad state of affairs in Track and Field, at least in the US and the NCAA............and its even metastasizing down into the HS ranks, IE look at whats happened in CT. Whats next, middle school?

I see this as 'fair within the rules.' The Philadelphia Flyers, Bill Belechik (sp) changed the rules if the game.

So did Barry Bonds, "surly Shirley" Babashoff v the east German womens swim team, and polyurethane swimming suits.

In each case "regulation" eventually caught up with the issue , and sought to administer fairness.

- the east German women were outed for taking testosterone. Which is similar to this case.

- Barry Bonds has an asterisk by his name

- polyurethane suits have been banned. While the world records still stand, they too have asterisks

What appears to be the most unfair is the girl who didn't make finals, as Mx Teffler - and other previously boys in other cases, took that girls spot. Those girls / ladies cannot get that back.

My prediction is that dealing with humans who feel or are different, in the area of athletics, we're going to see a whole lot more. Womens swimming, women's NCAA basketball, crew.

The rules WILL catch up. Eventually. It'll take a decade. Till then, and unlike in the past without the prevalence of social media, there will be lots of the type of passionate discussion (AKA yelling past each other) we've seen here.

And, natural born girls will spend a decade increasingly being pushed from the podium by girls who were previously boys.