Transgender woman CeCe Telfer currently sits at #2 in NCAA D2 100 hurdles - Watch her DOMINATE here (video)

rojo wrote:

A tipster sent us this video:

A tipster makes it sound like they are delivering some secret. This was a public track meet, so the person isnt a "tipster."

rojo wrote:

It's a huge advantage to be much taller in a hurdles race.

Definitely a limit to "taller is better" in the 100m hurdles. At a certain height, it will become very difficult to run a world class hurdles time. I am 6'1" and I've run the 100m hurdles on a lark in practice. It is extremely difficult for me to chop/shuffle my stride well enough to get my feet down between the hurdles.

There are lost of tall women out there, if it was such an advantage, we would see the women's hurdles filled with tall women at the elite level. But we dont, we see a mixed bag, some women shorter than average, some taller.

Dafne Schippers proves the point well. At 5'10", with 10.8 speed and good hurdle technique, if height was an advantage in the 100m hurdles, she should be setting the world record, but she "only" ran low 13s, because she struggled to shuffle that fast between hurdles. The hurdle wasnt the barrier to success, between the hurdles was.

My wife is 5-5 and can stand over the women's hurdle height. She doesn't have to "jump up" at all to clear a hurdle.

Tldr: The 100m hurdles are low. So the advantage is to the person with the most speed whose natural stride length matches the spacing between the hurdles. Tall people tend to have too long of a stride, so struggle over the 100m hurdles.

Argue against cece being allowed to compete with women if you want, but don't use the argument that height is an advantage in the 100m hurdles.

rojo wrote:

A tipster sent us this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLfUjrUO_7w&feature=youtu.be

CeCe Telfer, who was born as a man, but now competes as a woman is #2 at the NCAA 2 level in the 100h.

When I watch it, it reminds me very much of one thing that even hormone treatments don't impact - height. It's a huge advantage to be much taller in a hurdles race.

As for Telfer if he was born a man, he should compete as a man, When I am stuck on the freeway in heavy traffic, I would like to be a bird so i can get to my destination unimpeded, but saying I Identify as a Bird will not make me able to fly, I have thought about getting a Parrot and Training it to say I IDENTIFY as a Human and enter it in the High Jump and Long Jump so it could Smash Sotomeyers HJ and Powells LJ Records LOL.

Semenya has a unusual condition she was BORN WITH, Telfer just needs to see a Psychologist. Imagine if Bruce Jenner had decided to Identify as a Female in his Athletic Days? JJK's Heptathlon Record would look extremely soft compared to what Jenner could have done, I can't believe the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Americans now support Men to compete against women just because they say they IDENTIFY as a Woman, This would have been an absurdity 20-30 years ago. How Long before there are no REAL WOMEN in Sports?

rojo wrote:

A tipster sent us this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLfUjrUO_7w&feature=youtu.be

CeCe Telfer, who was born as a man, but now competes as a woman is #2 at the NCAA 2 level in the 100h.

When I watch it, it reminds me very much of one thing that even hormone treatments don't impact - height. It's a huge advantage to be much taller in a hurdles race.

On a Different Subject Entirely, It is amazing that Tiffani McReynolds who is probably 4 foot 9 or 10 ((Tilastopaja list's her at 53 CM which is 5 Feet even maybe she was wearing high heels that day LOL) is one of the best Hurdlers.

Women empowerment?

That is an embarrassment to sport.

As a man she was only running sprints and hurdles, but as a woman she was able to win at pentathlon and long jump as well!

natural stride length? nah man... It about natural speed and exploding off the blocks that is what makes or break elite 110s Hurdles. Most elite hurdles use the same technique. It is technique and hip flexibility is why you do see 100 m runners run the 110s. I think it is 6 steps instead of 7. I might be wrong, but anyway, Technique and the ability to lead with each leg and other hurdle stuff I am unfamiliar with is all pretty standard when you get to that top level. please correct me if I am wrong. I am not a hurdler, just listened in to their conversions in college.

physiologically If you look at a 6'1 girl their frame isn't conducive to quick explosive movements. Just like a 6'8 or a 7-foot guy. You have your exceptions, but generally speaking, that is the case. It just takes more muscle to move that much weight quick. The high level of testosterone for a guy enables him to have a strong body for the height of 6'1 verse a girl at 6'1.

So if you are talking about girls, then no height isn't a factor, but if you are talking about girls and guys then yes height is an advantage when you factor any the ratio of quick twitch muscle fibers.

bro science? I just thought of this argument when reading your post. any counter arguments?

gtfo wrote:

That is an embarrassment to sport.

+1

Clown world wrote:

Women empowerment?

You wanted it, now deal with it!

I am looking forward to a time when there will only be men in top competitions. Then at last its fair because the best athletes are competing. Dont make extra categories for people because of race, sex or Hair colour

Galatians 6:7-9

God knows best.

Nicelydone wrote:

I am looking forward to a time when there will only be men in top competitions. Then at last its fair because the best athletes are competing. Dont make extra categories for people because of race, sex or Hair colour

I like watching REAL WOMAN compete, some of the best looking girls in the World are Track Athletes, I don't want Men who pretend to be Woman or who are so messed up in the head that they think they are woman to replace REAL WOMAN.

i get that cece identifies as female,but i cant imagine her competitors would like being beaten so easily.still,shes a great hurdler.great,effortless technique.kinda strange that caster semenya,and some others have to supress their testosterone,when born male athletes are coming up through the rankings,and winning races.we dont know for a fact that semenya,niyonsaba,wambui and others are xy ,unlike cece,and the delaware state high school 100 meter champion.

When I watch it, it reminds me very much of one thing that even hormone treatments don't impact - height. It's a huge advantage to be much taller in a hurdles race.

Who says there are hormone treatments going on? Height is not what's winning that race.

LOL. That's the best part. Telfer did compete as a man. He competed as a man for his first 3 years of collegiate eligibility. He is only competing as a woman for his final year!

douglas burke wrote:

Nicelydone wrote:

I am looking forward to a time when there will only be men in top competitions. Then at last its fair because the best athletes are competing. Dont make extra categories for people because of race, sex or Hair colour

I like watching REAL WOMAN compete, some of the best looking girls in the World are Track Athletes, I don't want Men who pretend to be Woman or who are so messed up in the head that they think they are woman to replace REAL WOMAN.

If you want to watch beautiful girls than you should watch a beauty contest and not track. sports should be about the best athletes. and the best athletes are men

Is she legally recognized as a woman?

So what I'm confused about is why if she's on hormones her times this year aren't any slower than what she ran as a man.

Below you will see a comparison of her PBs as a man and woman.

Man Woman

55 7.01 7.02

60 7.67 7.63

100 12.17 (-1.2) 12.24 (0.6)

200 24.03 24.30 (-3.9)

400 55.77 54.41

55H 7.98 7.91

60H 8.52 8.33

Can someone explain this? Is she just way more motivated as she can now clean up or is something amiss with the hormone treatment? Normally there is a giant drop in performance.

How do her fellow competitors feel about the competition?

I mean it's kind of laughable right. Last year, she was a very poor athlete on the men's team. Now she's #2 on the NCAA on the women's team.

rojo wrote:

So what I'm confused about is why if she's on hormones her times this year aren't any slower than what she ran as a man.

Below you will see a comparison of her PBs as a man and woman.

Man Woman

55 7.01 7.02

60 7.67 7.63

100 12.17 (-1.2) 12.24 (0.6)

200 24.03 24.30 (-3.9)

400 55.77 54.41

55H 7.98 7.91

60H 8.52 8.33

Can someone explain this? Is she just way more motivated as she can now clean up or is something amiss with the hormone treatment? Normally there is a giant drop in performance.

How do her fellow competitors feel about the competition?

I mean it's kind of laughable right. Last year, she was a very poor athlete on the men's team. Now she's #2 on the NCAA on the women's team.

How do you know "she" is on hormones?