Can we talk about Sage Canaday dietary commentary from yesterday?

LMAO??? wrote:

Insanity wrote:

If plants don't want to be eaten then what does that make animals? desperate to be maimed, killed, their intestines ripped out and gorged for food? That's insanely delusional.

You are advocating that people consume known carcinogens (meat).

Herbivores are designed to eat large amount of plants, because they are biological designed to do so. True herbivores can ferment and turn nutrionally poor plants into amino and fatty acids.

And meat isn't carcinogenic.

From the World Health Organization:

From the "Cancer Council"

Not only is protein need for runners because you are doing a catabolic activity, but also it is very important in the role of bone health.

Also, not only is animal agriculture not harmful for the planet. It is necessary. Just totally off base with your statement of the environment and animal agriculture.

dusty_xc wrote:

From the World Health Organization:

https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

From the "Cancer Council"

https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-prevention/diet-exercise/nutrition-diet/fruit-vegetables/meat-and-cancer/

Do you know what evidence they based that off of?

What evidence do you have to the contrary?

There is tons of evidence ranging from causative to correlative on the carcinogenic nature of meat. HCAA's, TMAO, hemeiron, IGF-1, nitrites, etc- we have documented mechanisms for how these compounds hasten and create tumorigenesis. You clearly haven't done much research on this topic, have you?

You sure bro? wrote:

why are they labelled as carcinogens by WHO? Is it a vegan conspiracy?

Kinda, look at the people behind the whole vegan agenda. Vegans are partly just useful idiots for big agriculture and big pharma.

The whole idea meat causes cancer comes from a revelation a seven day Adventist had in the 1800s.

Seven Day Adventist went on to found the American Dietetic Association.

Look at a lot of the studies and people behind all this plant nonsense, you'll often find Seven Day Adventist connections.

John Harvey Kellogg, also a Seven Day Adventist, went on to found Kellogg's. Important to remember this isn't the only powerful cereal company founded by a Seven Day Adventist.

Look into Seven Day Adventist, a lot of influence into all this nonsense.

Also there is some eugenics influence in this vegan cult.

evidence wrote:

What evidence do you have to the contrary?

There is tons of evidence ranging from causative to correlative on the carcinogenic nature of meat. HCAA's, TMAO, hemeiron, IGF-1, nitrites, etc- we have documented mechanisms for how these compounds hasten and create tumorigenesis. You clearly haven't done much research on this topic, have you?

Where? The studies vegans use are either done on lab rats(we aren't lab rats). Or, vegans will use garbage epidemiological studies.

Have you even looked into what you are talking about? Your ignorance is astounding. Is it a conspiracy that every (credible) doctor and body of medical professionals advocate for the consumption of fruits and vegetables and limited consumption of red & processed meats? They must be fools, we should trust the guy posting anonymously on LRC over the consensus of the medical profession.

There are documented causal mechanisms for the compounds in meat leading to and hastening tumorigenesis.

not exactly well kinda wrote:

You sure bro? wrote:

why are they labelled as carcinogens by WHO? Is it a vegan conspiracy?

Kinda, look at the people behind the whole vegan agenda. Vegans are partly just useful idiots for big agriculture and big pharma.

The whole idea meat causes cancer comes from a revelation a seven day Adventist had in the 1800s.

Seven Day Adventist went on to found the American Dietetic Association.

Look at a lot of the studies and people behind all this plant nonsense, you'll often find Seven Day Adventist connections.

John Harvey Kellogg, also a Seven Day Adventist, went on to found Kellogg's. Important to remember this isn't the only powerful cereal company founded by a Seven Day Adventist.

Look into Seven Day Adventist, a lot of influence into all this nonsense.

Also there is some eugenics influence in this vegan cult.

Do you sleep with your tin hat on or do you take it off?

Antinutrients wrote:

Ok there little buddy, you’re doing great wrote:

Ok, broccoli is bad for you and has no nutrients because you posted a YouTube link. Right. You should continue living life in this manner. I’m sure you will achieve great success.

I understand why this might be hard for you to understand/except. But please do some research. Pretty basic plant biology. Plants in general don't want to be eaten. And over the course of evolution have developed certain mechanisms to protect themselves.

You are trying to pretend that you have an understanding of the science behind all of this and I can assure you that you don’t. Not even a little. Pretty much everything you are saying is factually wrong.

Don’t let anyone tell you that you are a wingnut wrote:

Do you sleep with your tin hat on or do you take it off?

Not a crazy person at all, this information on the Seven Day Adventist is easily available to find. In case you're wondering, Seven Day Adventist like John Harvey Kellogg were against meat so much and for a vegetarian diet, was they thought masturbation was one of the worse sins. And that limiting/eliminating meat from the diet would prevent one from masturbating.

Ever considered you're just talented enough not to run faster? Doesn't have anything to do with protein. I ran 2:22 off of plant protein and didn't feel like I was breaking down... I'm just not talented enough to break 2:20.

animals are necessary for a healthy planet wrote:

Not only is protein need for runners because you are doing a catabolic activity, but also it is very important in the role of bone health.

Obviously some dietary protein is necessary for a runner because some dietary protein is necessary to live. You just don't need the mass amounts that you can only get from meat. A runner can easily get all of their protein from a decent plant-based diet, a feat that would probably be difficult for Big Ramy.

animals are necessary for a healthy planet wrote:

Also, not only is animal agriculture not harmful for the planet. It is necessary. Just totally off base with your statement of the environment and animal agriculture.

I don't really want to respond to this argument because it's phenomenally stupid and probably disingenuous, but I will.

You actually think that producing 20% of the worlds CO2 equivalent and causing 80% of deforestation in the Amazon is good for the environment? I'd like to see any evidence that, on a global scale, raising livestock is necessary for the environment.

Worldwide, livestock accounts for only 17% of our caloric intake but is responsible for 75% of our (total) land use. 17% of our caloric intake and 100% of our food's greenhouse gasses. When people talk about habitat destruction and deforestation they should be talking about livestock. When people talk about fertilizers polluting rivers they should be talking about livestock, because the majority of the calories we produce are used to feed livestock, not people. When people talk about global warming they should talk about livestock as much as they talk about cars and coal.

Fundamentally, animals are an inefficient source of food; thermodynamics guarantees that. So I guess if you think a healthy planet means severe storms, frequent droughts, polluted rivers, and destroyed forests then livestock is "necessary." Otherwise you should listen to the advice of basically every scientist and eat less meat.

really?????? wrote:

"plants don't want to be eaten"

plants being eaten is basically the only way they can spread their seed/reproduce. Being eaten is very evolutionarily favorable to plants (not that it really matters)

try this experiment

1) get two potatoes

2) eat one. don't eat the other one.

3) observe which one starts trying to grow into a new potato plant.

the vast majority of "vegan" food calories come from grasses, whose seeds are spread by wind and are not produced if the plants are eaten before reaching maturity. The nutrients in the seed are for the new grass plant to germinate.

In spite of all that time well spent on Youtube, you don't know what you're talking about. Hint: what does a Kenyan runner's diet look like? How are they able to survive all that "catabolic" running without pounding burgers?

Ho Hum wrote:

In spite of all that time well spent on Youtube, you don't know what you're talking about. Hint: what does a Kenyan runner's diet look like? How are they able to survive all that "catabolic" running without pounding burgers?

Diets of Kenyan runners are rich in butter, whole fat milk and they eat meat often.

How much of your income comes from the North American Meat Institute?

Good post. I agree 100 percent with your sentiments.