Army West Point Cheated at IC4A Championships

Dishonest Effort wrote:

Army double entered Benjamin Petrella in the 5k and 10k, which are back to back. Petrella ran the 5k in 20:00, then raced the 10k right after (women's race in between) and won it in 30:06.

This should be a clear DQ. How is 20:00 an "honest effort" when you can run 15:03 twice in a row, just 20 minutes after the 5k?

I'd expect more honor out of Army West Point.

What purpose did running a slow 5k serve? I’m curious why he did this.

Very sad that they would do something like that. It should definitely be reported as an honor violation. They know very well that is cheating and is in no way “honest effort”.

What was the purpose wrote:

Dishonest Effort wrote:

Army double entered Benjamin Petrella in the 5k and 10k, which are back to back. Petrella ran the 5k in 20:00, then raced the 10k right after (women's race in between) and won it in 30:06.

This should be a clear DQ. How is 20:00 an "honest effort" when you can run 15:03 twice in a row, just 20 minutes after the 5k?

I'd expect more honor out of Army West Point.

What purpose did running a slow 5k serve? I’m curious why he did this.

Why would this be cheating?

Do you want him to take a DNS? Drop out mid-race?

If he takes a DNS, can he still run the 10K?

Should not have entered both.

Maybe he got a bad side stich in the 5k, and it went away in the 10k. You don't know.

Looks like we might have found the next great ultramarathon runner.

666 wrote:

Maybe he got a bad side stich in the 5k, and it went away in the 10k. You don't know.

Splits here:

First 200 in 46, last place by 10 seconds. Then slowed down even more and started hitting 1:37 or slower per 400.

10k splits here, first 400 was 1:14

side stitch can be ruled out

Alternate Reality wrote:

What was the purpose wrote:

What purpose did running a slow 5k serve? I’m curious why he did this.

Why would this be cheating?

Do you want him to take a DNS? Drop out mid-race?

If he takes a DNS, can he still run the 10K?

It's a championship meet so if you scratch an event, you are scratched from the entire meet. Instead of scratching the entire meet, or racing the 5k, he made a mockery of the meet and jogged a 20 minute 5k so he could still race the 10k.

checkers not chess wrote:

It's a championship meet so if you scratch an event, you are scratched from the entire meet. Instead of scratching the entire meet, or racing the 5k, he did what he needed to do to win the 10k

FIFY

This meet is dead anyhow. The P5 conference championship shift to the same weekend has drastically altered the competition.

FIFY wrote:

checkers not chess wrote:

It's a championship meet so if you scratch an event, you are scratched from the entire meet. Instead of scratching the entire meet, or racing the 5k, he did what he needed to do to win the 10k

FIFY

More like the coach saw the entries in the 5k and realized he couldn't beat them. So he chickened out and told his guy to jog it so he can try for the 10k win.

It's dishonest, and it's cheating. They did it to maximize points.

I thought the Army men had more courage and more integrity than that. Probably more the coaches fault, though. Either way, it explains why Navy has been beating Army so badly.

Benedict wrote:

This meet is dead anyhow. The P5 conference championship shift to the same weekend has drastically altered the competition.

Stuff like this contribute's to the meet's death. Everyone knows an IC4A championship doesn't mean what it used to.

So race the tougher competition in the 5k instead of going for a meaningless win. Even if it was a mistake entering the meet, man up and do the right thing. Don't disrespect the meet and your competitors by jogging a 20 min 5k.

He didn't even put spikes on for the 5k.

Very dishonest job by the coach in this situation. Doing this at a place like West Point makes it even worse. There must be more to the story or this guy would get fired.

Why is this cheating? Still not a clear answer. What rule in the NCAA book did he break? The poster should site the rule if he is calling the runner a cheater. Nice warm up in my eyes.

Have you watched the BYU guy knocking out 28 minute 10ks this year? They aren’t wearing spikes. McDinald won the Big 10 meet in flats.

He didn’t break a rule or he wouldn’t be listed as the winner. Some crybaby doesn’t like that he worked within the rules. He gained no advantage by running a 5k before his 10k. Other guys could have done the same thing if that is the smart thing to do.

His punishment will be getting deployed to Iran.

Spineless spike wrote:

Have you watched the BYU guy knocking out 28 minute 10ks this year? They aren’t wearing spikes. McDinald won the Big 10 meet in flats.

Also, we don't know if he has calve of Achilles problems and for distance runners spikes are very negligible as far as how one does in a 5000 or 10000 on the track.

my guess is that they had him entered in both and were planning on him running the 5k, but got there late so instead of racing the 5k he used it as his warmup jog.