Why does everyone keep referring to Matt Boling's 10.13 as the new national record?

I’m not certain, but are all of those wind legal?

NFHS records are set in high school only competition in certified meets during the school year.

Track & Field news takes all marks through the summer, including international competition.

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NFHS records are set in high school only competition in certified meets during the school year.

Track & Field news takes all marks through the summer, including international competition.

Oh, thanks. I was thinking that might have been the case. And, yes, those are all legal times.

Whatever happened to Trentravis Friday? Is he still competing?

Since I never raced any open events shorter than 800, even at middle school track meets, I don't have a frame of reference and am genuinely curious what people think:

Is there a reason to believe that high schoolers' times in the 100 are meaningfully impacted by having faster pros in the field the way they are in a mile where star HS'ers can hang in the back when they'd usually have to be spend time leading or even in the 400 where lane staggers can give them someone to chase? Would the idea be that there is some extra burst of adrenaline from competing against pros?

I have this idea of the 100 and high hurdles as pretty solitary efforts where you just run as hard and efficiently as you can from gun to tape. I don't think of anyone changing strategy based on who they are racing against in a way that could impact their finishing time.

Interesting, but where we would we draw the line? 200 meters?

Yes, athletes performance increases with a greater competitive field.

Hes running progressively slower.

I don't have any personal info on him but he ran a 10.55 in Japan a couple weeks ago

kmaclam wrote:

Interesting, but where we would we draw the line? 200 meters?

Honestly anything races completely in lanes.

Having someone alongside you, pushing you is extremely helpful in getting 100%. Even Bolt benefited from having people around him for 40-60m. The only events where people normally can PR in practice are jumps and PV.

Sally Vixxxxens wrote:

The announcers at the meet kept saying the old record was 10.15 of Henry Neal. I have seen others say the same thing. But if you look at this list it shows he tied the Texas state record of 10.13 of Derrick Florence and nationally there are others faster than him. Thanks in advancing for clarifying this.

This list if from Track and Field News:

10.00 Trentavis Friday (Cherryville, North Carolina) 2014

10.01 Jeff Demps (South Lake, Groveland, Florida) 2008

10.09(A) Anthony Schwartz (American Heritage, Plantation, Florida) 2018

10.12 ————Demps 2008

10.13 Derrick Florence (Ball, Galveston, Texas) 1986

10.13 ————Schwartz 2018

10.14 *Noah Lyles (Williams, Alexandria, Virginia) 2015

10.15 Henry Neal (Greenville, Texas) 1990

10.15 ————*Schwartz 2017

10.16 Houston McTear (Baker, Florida) 1976

10.16 ————Lyles 2016

10.16 ————Schwartz 2018

Even, this list is acually incomplete, didn't J-mee Samuels broke this record running 10"0x wind legal in 2005 ?

There is also an other problem with "HS" records, when Bromell broke the US junior records (and also the WJR) in 9"97, he was slightly younger than T. Friday the day he ran his 10"00 HS record. Both times were ran a few days apart, on the same track.

The difference is that Bromell ran it during the NCAA finals, while being a "true" college freshman (he was not 19 yet) while Friday did it during the USATF juniors champs (so he was pitted against HSers despite the meet, not being an HS meet) while technically still being in HS (do you follow me ?) .

If you want a real list, you have to look at the USATF all time lists for "juniors" ( which account for youngsters which will at most turn 19, the civilian year of their performance)

About 60m into a 100m race, you hit top speed. From there, you are just trying not to slow down. If no one is around you once you hit top speed, it's really easy to let off the gas a little bit and slow down over the last part of the race.

So yeah, you're probably not going to willfully get a bad start or slack off on your acceleration because your competition isn't that great. But having someone neck and neck with you at 60m+ is good motivation to maintain form and push all the way to the line.

It’s not about whether better competition meaningfully impacts a performance.

It’s simply differentiating high school only competition.

Star wrote:

It’s simply differentiating high school only competition.

I know what the actual difference is in the categories, but that seems pretty clearly not to be the important part. The 3 times ahead of Boling's weren't being set at random all-comers meets against 45-year-olds running 12.1. They were set, at US national meets against professional competition. I was wondering what people who have more experience with the sprints than I do think about how we should consider something like Demps' 10.00 set chasing Tyson Gay who ran 9.77 and out leaning Walter Dix who ran 10.01. Compare that to his state meet when he won by .3 seconds and ran 10.40

Ggggg wrote:

Whatever happened to Trentravis Friday? Is he still competing?

He got a job at TGIF.

What I think a lot of people are forgetting is that he ran his first 100 meters in March. He is a newbie to the event and sets a national record in less than 2 months. How much upside does he have? Certainly he was working on his starts for the 200 meters but prior to March most of his training was devoted to the 200, 400 and LJ. Amazing that he could run so fast with so little experience.

The sprinters are chasing the runners they see ahead of them, even in sprints. You likely never really raced at any distance.

Never sprinted wrote:

Star wrote:

It’s simply differentiating high school only competition.

I know what the actual difference is in the categories, but that seems pretty clearly not to be the important part. The 3 times ahead of Boling's weren't being set at random all-comers meets against 45-year-olds running 12.1. They were set, at US national meets against professional competition. I was wondering what people who have more experience with the sprints than I do think about how we should consider something like Demps' 10.00 set chasing Tyson Gay who ran 9.77 and out leaning Walter Dix who ran 10.01. Compare that to his state meet when he won by .3 seconds and ran 10.40

No, they weren't...

When a 10"00 guy runs against 9'95 he is definitely chasing him, however if he races a 9"7, he isn't chasing anything.

The gap is too high between these two times. That is basically two different races in the same race.

There is a benefit in racing guys that are slightly faster than you (read : around the same level) , not massively faster.

That is even the reverse that happens as you tend to get stiffer when trying to "overtake" guys that are way above your level.