Kenyan doper Asbel Kiprop (1500m), banned for 4 years by AIU due to convincingly made out case, can still appeal to CAS

Coevett wrote:

Just Passing By wrote:

Wow!...that's a pretty darn good cross examination.

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I'll just skim your reply - can't read much more than the 'minor infraction' claim. I guess that's why he tried to sue for defamation and the German newspaper headlined the article that his career was basically over? Why do you think the medicines were not approved in Germany? Because they're considered dangerous you a$$hat. What's the difference between a 'heart condition' and a 'viral infection of the heart'? Medicinal tablets that are considered potentially dangerous are drugs. He was giving this 13 year old girl these drugs because he thought they would improve her athletics performances. It's connected to Beyer and Straub because he coached them in the German Doping Republic (and please don't correct me and say it was the German Demoratic Republic you a$$pie).

You're just trying to yet again derail another important doping thread with your 'Mr Logic' nonsense. You don't have any grasp of logic, not at least as to how it's properly incorporated in language to say something real about the world.

http://viz.co.uk/2018/12/04/mr-logic-tea/

ZDF magazine "Frontal 21": World Cup coach convicted of illegal drugs

Anti-doping expert Franke: "Wild sinners" on the athletes

The coach of the long-distance runner and World Cup participant André Pollmächer has been convicted of violating the drug law. According to research by the ZDF magazine "Fronta 21" (broadcast on 11 August 2009, 21.00 clock) Bernd Dießner was in May by the Local Court Chemnitz a penalty order for 4500 euros, because he distributed in Germany unauthorized drugs and dietary supplements to partially underage athletes should have. The judgment is not yet final, Dießner has objected.

The 17-year-old Jessica Heblack told Frontal 21 that she had received tablets and ampoules from Spain and Portugal from her coach Dießner at the age of 13. "He just said that's good for you, take it," said Heblack, "and you did not ask because you just trusted him." Heblack's father filed a criminal complaint against Dießner in February 2008.

According to the National Anti-Doping Agency (NADA), the substances are not doping agents. But some of the highly concentrated supplements are not allowed in Germany, according to the Heidelberg anti-doping expert Professor Werner Franke. He threw Dießner therefore "a savage sin against the girls" before. Dießner had given his athletes illegally procured drugs whose effects he could not estimate at all. "That must not be tolerated," continues Franke.

The 63-year-old Dießner was until the spring country coach of the Saxon Athletics Association and today works as a coach in the Athletics Club Chemnitz. Among his athletes include Pollmächer several squad athletes of the German Athletics Association. Already in the days of the GDR. Dießner oversaw internationally successful runners at the Army Sports Club Potsdam. Dießner did not want to comment on the accusations against "Frontal 21". These are slander.

What's the next move with the IAAF? wrote:

Good question on what to do about the doping problem in Kenya. Does the IAAF take some action or do they continue to take a wait and see attitude? (I believe Kenya, along with Ukraine & Belarus are on the IAAF's "watch list?")

The IAAF said four member federations - Kenya, Ethiopia, Belarus, Ukraine - would constitute the current watchlist of Category A, which includes the members most at risk of doping.

Athletes from those countries will have to undergo at least three out-of-competition doping tests in the 10 months prior to a world championships or Olympics.

What's the next move with the IAAF? wrote:

I think these two pending ABP cases with Chepchirchir and Rutto are a growing concern. If the the anomalies are found to be evidence of doping there will be two more 4-year bans handed out to Kenyan distance runners. But unlike an AAF for a drug positive these are hematological or steroidal anomalies from ABP profile data which means Kenyan anti-doping are obtaining enough blood samples from the athletes now to enter into ADAMS system. There could be more anomalies and ABP charges issued down the road.

casual obsever wrote:

What's the next move with the IAAF? wrote:

Good question on what to do about the doping problem in Kenya. Does the IAAF take some action or do they continue to take a wait and see attitude? (I believe Kenya, along with Ukraine & Belarus are on the IAAF's "watch list?")

I haven't seen any update since last November. That watch list doesn't seem to have dramatic consequences:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athletics-iaaf-doping/athletics-integrity-unit-backs-new-iaaf-anti-doping-rules-idUSKBN1KI078

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The IAAF said four member federations - Kenya, Ethiopia, Belarus, Ukraine - would constitute the current watchlist of Category A, which includes the members most at risk of doping.

Athletes from those countries will have to undergo at least three out-of-competition doping tests in the 10 months prior to a world championships or Olympics.

What's the next move with the IAAF? wrote:

I think these two pending ABP cases with Chepchirchir and Rutto are a growing concern. If the the anomalies are found to be evidence of doping there will be two more 4-year bans handed out to Kenyan distance runners. But unlike an AAF for a drug positive these are hematological or steroidal anomalies from ABP profile data which means Kenyan anti-doping are obtaining enough blood samples from the athletes now to enter into ADAMS system. There could be more anomalies and ABP charges issued down the road.

Yes, evidently the Kenyans will have to adapt (read: decrease) their doping like the more developed parts of the world did 10 - 15 years ago. The advantage was that back then, the IAAF wouldn't punish you at all for ABP violations, so one wouldn't fall so hard.