Is it even plausible for athletes to believe in "equality"?

Doubter wrote:

We've seen a ton of athletes these past few years wearing "equality" shirts at NBA games or as part of the Nike OTC. Is this all hot air or do these competitive athletes (and millionaires) actually believe in "equality"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqXtkkmdqOg

Nope. It's all marketing, nothing short of gimmicks for purposes of popularity and political correctness. Nobody actually endorses "equality" unless that affords some advantage to him or his own interests. This demonstration is hardly different from the manner in which we present ourselves in public, the personas we produce online, etc. It's all for show or for the sake of manufactured civility. When these guys and gals don these shirts, they feel that they're part of some special segment of society and that they're more civil, enlightened or "woke."

I don’t know how competitive athletes and runners can believe in people are born as blank slates.

It is pretty obvious that some people have more natural talent than others.

This does not mean that they will be the best. Effort and training can get someone far. But someone with the right genetics for a sport and training will bring more success.

The goal is to be the best you can be given your ability.

our laws and how we treat people should be based on we are all equal. But it isn’t true if you look at iq or attractiveness or athleticism.

Doubter wrote:

We've seen a ton of athletes these past few years wearing "equality" shirts at NBA games or as part of the Nike OTC. Is this all hot air or do these competitive athletes (and millionaires) actually believe in "equality"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqXtkkmdqOg

“Equality” is a word, mot an idea. You can’t “believe in equality.” You can believe that all people are of equal moral worth or that the conscious experiences of all animals should be given equal consideration. But you can’t “believe in equality.”

My guessis that the athletes are promoting something like the equal moral value of all humans, and that is not at odds with them being rich or good at sports.

NOPE wrote:

Nope. It's all marketing, nothing short of gimmicks for purposes of popularity and political correctness. Nobody actually endorses "equality" unless that affords some advantage to him or his own interests. This demonstration is hardly different from the manner in which we present ourselves in public, the personas we produce online, etc. It's all for show or for the sake of manufactured civility. When these guys and gals don these shirts, they feel that they're part of some special segment of society and that they're more civil, enlightened or "woke."

This^^^

It is a desire to feel relevant in society and have a sense of power. Many of the individuals who participate in these types of 'activism', are empowered by using force to 'break' their 'opposition'. There is growing evidence of these sorts of behaviors displayed on college campus' across the United States, as well as other environments that have gone as far as professional job settings. Many administrative positions and HR have been abused in similar agenda practices. It is a display of sociopathy.

It is not 'equality' at all... it is about power, and power comes at the hands of useful idiots who are instrumental in the 'revolution' process. The ironic consequence is the useful idiots are the first to revolt when they realize their activism was used, and they are not in control.

The police state does not care about freedom to LGBT--- and other causes... it uses these people to obtain exactly what they believe they are fighting. History has proven this over and over.

I don’t understand the question. What do you mean do they “believe “ in equality?

poorop wrote:

I don’t understand the question. What do you mean do they “believe “ in equality?

Probably meant “equality between human beings.”

As in... “do these athletes actually believe that people are or ought to be equal.”

Or that people ought to be treated “equally”? Of course, all of this is naturally impossible, as we cannot possibly treat two people equally, let alone billions of individual human beings. It’s a gimmick, as one of the other posters stated.

Alternatively, the post may have implied... “In what sense can people be equal?”

In political history, the word “equality” had originally applied to “equality under the eyes of the law,” NOT “equality between individual human beings.” The modern intellectuals have discarded the former in favor of the latter, as it’s more popular and fashionable. Equality exists in its solitary form in the postulates and theories that govern mathematics, which is a field of study which intends to capture earthly phenomena. Key word, though: “intends.” Even in theory, however, many factors and qualities are ASSUMED in order to arrive at a given conclusion of equality.

In the world of individual human beings, the intrigue is found in the fact that we are all inherently different (and unequal), but somehow there are people who can embrace individuality while promoting “equality,” a contradiction between terms.

Doubter wrote:

We've seen a ton of athletes these past few years wearing "equality" shirts at NBA games or as part of the Nike OTC. Is this all hot air or do these competitive athletes (and millionaires) actually believe in "equality"?

at best it's virtue signaling

i'm not even sure what equality means, but it feels like a tool of the marxists

No "modern intellectuals" think humans are equal in a general sense. In fact, I doubt anyone believes this. We are clearly different heights, have different levels of intelligence, abilities, moral character, etc. You guys are all making strawmen here.

The only sense in which people are equal is that we all deserve to have the same standard applied to us. If we have a law against rape, that law should be applied to everyone in the same manner.

If you want to talk about what "modern intellectuals" think, look at actual modern intellectuals. John Rawls, who was probably the leading philosopher on this sort of stuff over the last fifty years, certainly though inequalities were a good thing. The key, however, was that they be fair. It is fine for doctors to make more money than mechanics because that inequality led to better people choosing to be doctors and everyone benefiting.

No one believes in the type of equality you are claiming they do.

The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Just more virtue signalling by the founding fathers...

All kidding aside, and at the risk of stating the patently obvious, equality in this content surrounds notions like equality under the law or deserving of equal moral consideration as conscious beings. At this point we're debating world views. I'm with the people wearing the equality shirts in general... but if I wasn't, I'd say something like "they're just virtue signalling."

belial wrote:

The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Just more virtue signalling by the founding fathers...

All kidding aside, and at the risk of stating the patently obvious, equality in this content surrounds notions like equality under the law or deserving of equal moral consideration as conscious beings. At this point we're debating world views. I'm with the people wearing the equality shirts in general... but if I wasn't, I'd say something like "they're just virtue signalling."

Game, set and match.

belial wrote:

The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Just more virtue signalling by the founding fathers...

All kidding aside, and at the risk of stating the patently obvious, equality in this content surrounds notions like equality under the law or deserving of equal moral consideration as conscious beings. At this point we're debating world views. I'm with the people wearing the equality shirts in general... but if I wasn't, I'd say something like "they're just virtue signalling."

WRONG.

Jefferson and the Founders adhered to the precepts of Montesquieu and Locke, who observed equality under the eyes of law.

belial wrote:

The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Just more virtue signalling by the founding fathers...

All kidding aside, and at the risk of stating the patently obvious, equality in this content surrounds notions like equality under the law or deserving of equal moral consideration as conscious beings. At this point we're debating world views. I'm with the people wearing the equality shirts in general... but if I wasn't, I'd say something like "they're just virtue signalling."

"CREATED equal" ... NOT "MADE equal"

Fools!

ONtheBrINK wrote:

belial wrote:

The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Just more virtue signalling by the founding fathers...

All kidding aside, and at the risk of stating the patently obvious, equality in this content surrounds notions like equality under the law or deserving of equal moral consideration as conscious beings. At this point we're debating world views. I'm with the people wearing the equality shirts in general... but if I wasn't, I'd say something like "they're just virtue signalling."

"CREATED equal" ... NOT "MADE equal"

Fools!

Yes! People may be equally human but not equally capable or productive or whatever...

All part of marketing gimmick. They're entertainers. There is no real value in their work except providing us with fleeting distractions. They motto is attract most idiots as possible to watch us. That is how they get paid.

Qual wrote:

belial wrote:

The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Just more virtue signalling by the founding fathers...

All kidding aside, and at the risk of stating the patently obvious, equality in this content surrounds notions like equality under the law or deserving of equal moral consideration as conscious beings. At this point we're debating world views. I'm with the people wearing the equality shirts in general... but if I wasn't, I'd say something like "they're just virtue signalling."

WRONG.

Jefferson and the Founders adhered to the precepts of Montesquieu and Locke, who observed equality under the eyes of law.

WRONG.

Also, nothing you said indicates I was wrong. Something may be wrong with your brain.

belial wrote:

Qual wrote:

WRONG.

Jefferson and the Founders adhered to the precepts of Montesquieu and Locke, who observed equality under the eyes of law.

WRONG.

Also, nothing you said indicates I was wrong. Something may be wrong with your brain.

The fact that you're debating the subject shows that you don't believe in "equality" in any real sense. Privately you acknowledge this. Publicly you're everything you're expected to be.

Pushing for "equality" means pushing for even more discrimination against white people and smart Asians.

Equality means giving middle class salaries to people who would rather stand on the street corner holding their testicles all day, rather than work.

Equality means no prison sentences for career criminals who don't want to change careers.

Equality means pretending a 16 year old single mom is just as good at being a father as a 30 year old man.

Of course not. Or they would be in favour of abolishing the male and female categories

gjhdfgjhghjfghjfghjfghj wrote:

Pushing for "equality" means pushing for even more discrimination against white people and smart Asians.

Equality means giving middle class salaries to people who would rather stand on the street corner holding their testicles all day, rather than work.

Equality means no prison sentences for career criminals who don't want to change careers.

Equality means pretending a 16 year old single mom is just as good at being a father as a 30 year old man.

... and it means accomplishing these ends by force.