Why? Because people believe in trendy myths that seem reasonable. The fact is the 12mm drop is called "traditional" for a reason. Go ask a podiatrist. Also, ask them about how the minimal running trend worked out. Haha.
Why? Because people believe in trendy myths that seem reasonable. The fact is the 12mm drop is called "traditional" for a reason. Go ask a podiatrist. Also, ask them about how the minimal running trend worked out. Haha.
Strike the heel wrote:
doot doot wrote:
What is your point?
If we took a random sample of 100 athletes that run between 27:00-28:00 for 10k and another random sample of 100 athletes that run 37:00 - 38:00 for 10k do you think we would see any tendency for forefoot versus heel striking between the groups? Why might that be?
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Analogy time:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosbury_FlopBecause they are faster and more talented. Forefoot striking does not create speed and talent it's a byproduct of it.
37-38 minute people probably forefoot strike when they do sprints at 27-28 pace.
So in general heel striking is the relegated status of slow runners? I’m not going argue with that.
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I agree that some people conflate mid-/“flat” foot striking with heel striking. At the other extreme, no one is suggesting runners should, or even could, ballerina strike for 13 miles.
80/20 running book makes the claim (and provides sources) that science and studies indicate that the body will naturally find its most efficient gate if you run a lot of miles. Trying to consciously make changes usually leads to less efficient running per testing and studies. That's what the book says.
I think the most important thing to focus on, in terms of form, is your posture and balance. Hips, upper body and particularly your shoulders. Take care of that and your legs and feet will do what they do in the most efficient way for you.
how much you want to bett wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_10nlUeupk
In that video:
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zzzz wrote:
In that video:
forefoot
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heel
forefoot
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All of them landing IN FRONT of their center of gravity. Because it's impossible to land under your center of gravity when you run.
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zzzz wrote:
In that video:
forefoot
flat
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forefoot
heel
flat
flat
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All of them landing IN FRONT of their center of gravity. Because it's impossible to land under your center of gravity when you run.
I didn't say otherwise.
This is still patently false and anyone with 10m to 20ms free space could prove so
People should run what is natural. But this idea still out there that, "heel striking is bad and forefoot is the only way". Is a bunch of BS. Heel strikers faster than 100% of the forefoot lunatics on here:
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Than there are circumstances where having more of a heel strike is superior. Like on a true XC course, heel strikes can generate more traction, therefore more power and speed. There is a reason why Mo Farah lost to Garrett Heath a few years ago at the Edinburgh. Or running downhill with a heel strike is superior to running down hill with a forefoot strike. This bouncy forefoot strike a lot of people promote is less efficient, unless you are sprinting. Hicham El Guerrouj and Noureddine Morceli, two of the greatest 1500m runners of all time. Probably ran so fast because they could generate more power with their more heel strike. As opposed to the more bouncy forefoot strike most middle distant runners run with.
Here's two photos of Noureddine Morceli. One out on a training run, the other during a race.
There's 4 inches of air below Morceli's foot in that photo of him in the race. If you looked at that Patrick Makau slo-mo, you'd think heel striking too that high above the ground, but he ends up forefoot. Yes, he is heel striking in that training photo. You actually found a photo at the moment of contact.
Here's the best resolution Morceli video I could find on youtube of about 3-4 that I looked at. Slow down to 0.25 speed, 5:13 into the video (3:02-3:12 race clock) and he's probably best described as landing flat footed in this race. Flat and barely heel first on the left foot depending on the particular step, barely forefoot on the right foot.
Cheptegei forefoot here (38:26 into video). Mostly landing flat elsewhere.
doot doot wrote:
Heel striking wrote:
Henry Rono - heel striker
John Ngugi - heel striker
Joaquim Cruz - heel striker
Abebe Bikila - heel striker
Noureddine Morceli - heel striker
I could go on and on. But you should get the point.
David Rudisha - forefoot striker
El Guerrouj - forefoot striker
Daniel Komen - ehhhh
Kenenisa Bekele - forefoot striker
Abraham Kiptum - never seen him run, but Z. Tadese was a heel striker with a soft WR
Eliud Kipchoge - forefoot striker
I could go on and on, but these guys are the fastest ever.
Listen simpleton, we know that, the other guy was making a point that there are many elite runners who heel strike. Were you born an idiot or it came after time?
zzzz wrote:
There's 4 inches of air below Morceli's foot in that photo of him in the race. If you looked at that Patrick Makau slo-mo, you'd think heel striking too that high above the ground, but he ends up forefoot. Yes, he is heel striking in that training photo. You actually found a photo at the moment of contact.
Here's the best resolution Morceli video I could find on youtube of about 3-4 that I looked at. Slow down to 0.25 speed, 5:13 into the video (3:02-3:12 race clock) and he's probably best described as landing flat footed in this race. Flat and barely heel first on the left foot depending on the particular step, barely forefoot on the right foot.
https://youtu.be/qMWpk14jwD0?t=313
If you land heel first, you're heel striking.
So what you're saying is wrote:
zzzz wrote:
There's 4 inches of air below Morceli's foot in that photo of him in the race. If you looked at that Patrick Makau slo-mo, you'd think heel striking too that high above the ground, but he ends up forefoot. Yes, he is heel striking in that training photo. You actually found a photo at the moment of contact.
Here's the best resolution Morceli video I could find on youtube of about 3-4 that I looked at. Slow down to 0.25 speed, 5:13 into the video (3:02-3:12 race clock) and he's probably best described as landing flat footed in this race. Flat and barely heel first on the left foot depending on the particular step, barely forefoot on the right foot.
https://youtu.be/qMWpk14jwD0?t=313If you land heel first, you're heel striking.
OK, Morceli is a forefoot striker then (as well as flat and heel striker). Saw it it clearly in that clip, as I pointed out.
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