Dutch Press ?: Is the IAAF Actively Trying To Reduce African Dominace?

You are delusional. You know little about Seb Coe, and to suggest anyone who votes or supports the Conservative Party is racist shows overwhelming ignorance and is extremely offensive. It is no different to saying that all Muslims support Islamic terrorism; which of course is a nonsense.

To think that anyone would really consider changing 5000m races to 3000m races a sign of some kind of insidious movement that is out to eradicate African involvement is totally bonkers! The decision is purely to do with the lack of popularity of a sport across the world. In order to keep the sport mainstream, in an ever changing world, where competition for tv coverage, sponsorship and young recruits is increasingly demanding, some difficult and unpopular (in some quarters) decisions need to be made.

To then claim that such a decision is racially motivated because it will have a negligible effect on a few runners is irresponsible and scaremongering.

NativeSon wrote:

I can understand why anyone would want us banned.

Two weeks ago, it was the same thing in the World Cross Country Championship.

Next Monday (April 15) is Boston Marathon.

April 14, 2019:-Paris Marathon.

April 28, 2019:- London Marathon.

No matter what, we have our collective eye fixed on the prize.

Twende kazi!

What an idiotic post! Which African athletes have been banned (as you claim) by the IAAF, other than those caught doping?

None!

Not a single Kenyan or Ethiopian athlete ran in more than TWO 5000m events on the DL last year. If the DL was so lucrative and important for all your dozens of great 5000m runners, then why did they not support and run in so few of the events last year?

Perhaps your long list of victories by East Africans in the roads in recent weeks gives part of the answer?

Coevett wrote:

I've got work to do this morning, but here's just a foretaste of some of the right-wing views you've expressed here repeatedly :

Draconian Government rules with strict controls on foreigners. Kenya is a free-for-all that allows everyone into the country. There’s such a thing as too much freedom.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=9236232&id=9237749#9237749

There was one thread where you got into a discussion with a 'fellow' Kenyan who was quite explicit in blaming Ethiopians and Nigerians for all the crime and other problems in Kenya and you clearly agreed with him and again stated your belief that there are too many foreigners in 'your' country. Can't find it yet, maybe it's been deleted. See also :

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8941236

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong and that you have no source for your previous quotes?

zxcvzxcv wrote:

The 5 and 10 are too long for the world to watch, but entire marathons are televised?

Really? You need to ask such an obvious question?

Try the mass participation in marathons, the encouragement their screening gives to hobby joggers, the amount of charity, sponsorship involved?

It’s televised (in the UK at least) as an ‘event’ that involves the whole family, community and worthy causes. The tv coverage is a mixture of showing about 4 different elite races and the thousands of ordinary people participating. There is a lot more diversity than seeing 20 people running around a track 25 times with little change taking place until the last 2 laps!

Deanouk wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

The 5 and 10 are too long for the world to watch, but entire marathons are televised?

Really? You need to ask such an obvious question?

Try the mass participation in marathons, the encouragement their screening gives to hobby joggers, the amount of charity, sponsorship involved?

It’s televised (in the UK at least) as an ‘event’ that involves the whole family, community and worthy causes. The tv coverage is a mixture of showing about 4 different elite races and the thousands of ordinary people participating. There is a lot more diversity than seeing 20 people running around a track 25 times with little change taking place until the last 2 laps!

Lol. Marathons are good for exactly that. Hobby joggers. Who cares who is elite in the marathon. Beyond a few fanatics, no one knows anyone in the marathon. Everyone knows the marathon is somewhere you go when you get too old to run track. I don't want to watch 2+ hours of somebody running on a city road...and I enjoy watching running! A 5000 on a track is great! 3000 even better. 50,000 track fans in a stadium, cheering on their favorite track stars for the whole duration of the race is something that is impossible in the marathon, and this is what's needed for an event o be truly important for elites.

Deanouk wrote:

!Not a single Kenyan or Ethiopian athlete ran in more than TWO 5000m events on the DL last year.

Kejelcha ran three

Lausanne

London

Brussels

To deny that I sometimes get Ethiopia envy would be a lie. They are a very proud nation that stick to their guns, don’t allow sundry ill-intentioned foreigners into their country to take advantage of their hospitality for shady purposes tarnishing their reputation, keep tight controls over their athletes and who they associate with and, best of all, refuse to fold in the face cheap diversionary tricks by the IAAF unlike AK’s Jack Tuwei who was easily placated by empty promises. Kenya is too free, welcoming and accommodating for its own good. Incidentally, Ethiopia is the only African country never to have been colonised.

There was supposed to be a similar statement with the Ethiopian Federation but the Ethiopians were having none of it.

https://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/diamond-league-2020-5000m-kenya

Or maybe you can't read or you don't hold El K (because he identifies as black) to the same standards as myself or a white person?

Evidently calling for 'draconian government rules with strict controls on foreigners' is neo-nazi when said by a white person, but 'liberal' when expressed by a 'black Kenyan' like El K.

And here's more :

To which El K's fellow racist Kenyan supremacists replies :

Also in a marathon, the scenery is constantly changing, the camera pans to different parts of the course with different division leaders, and you have the spectators like in cycling events. It's not a good comparison.

So no direct quotes attributable to me, then? Coevett caught in more lies. What else is new?

Why are my attempts to post on this thread being rejected as spam?

El Keniano wrote:

So no direct quotes attributable to me, then? Coevett caught in more lies. What else is new?

+1

El Keniano wrote:

Why are my attempts to post on this thread being rejected as spam?

AI is advanced these days.

The algorithm can just tell what you're writing is bollocks.

Mass participants in marathons are shown about as often as members of the stadium crowd in DL races.

You know as well as anyone that the number of Kenyan and Ethiopian runners in the 5000m DL races was limited by the European organizers to give, for instance, various scrub Europeans (and some fairly decent but not great Americans) entrance into the race. It's no coincidence this is in the events that Coe did not run on the track and immediately after the UK's star athlete left the track for the roads.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Mass participants in marathons are shown about as often as members of the stadium crowd in DL races.

You know as well as anyone that the number of Kenyan and Ethiopian runners in the 5000m DL races was limited by the European organizers to give, for instance, various scrub Europeans (and some fairly decent but not great Americans) entrance into the race. It's no coincidence this is in the events that Coe did not run on the track and immediately after the UK's star athlete left the track for the roads.

So do the scrub Europeans and fairly decent Americans help fill stadiums or sell advertising/media rights? What are the economics of these events?

sleepfest wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Mass participants in marathons are shown about as often as members of the stadium crowd in DL races.

You know as well as anyone that the number of Kenyan and Ethiopian runners in the 5000m DL races was limited by the European organizers to give, for instance, various scrub Europeans (and some fairly decent but not great Americans) entrance into the race. It's no coincidence this is in the events that Coe did not run on the track and immediately after the UK's star athlete left the track for the roads.

So do the scrub Europeans and fairly decent Americans help fill stadiums or sell advertising/media rights? What are the economics of these events?

Pre-event marketing usually focuses on the biggest national or regional (i.e. European) name, alongside whoever is expected to attack a record or run a fast time. Since Usain Bolt’s retirement, Eliud Kipchoge has been the sport’s biggest star despite his quiet personality that naturally doesn’t court publicity. The sprints have virtually no one left that can a). Break Bolt’s records b). Put butts in seats. No one is big or charismatic enough, no matter how hard they try, and their interviews are uninteresting, generic spiels and murmurings that no one remembers. Which makes Coe’s decision to drop distance when the problem affects the entire sport all the more bizarre and suspicious.

The sports biggest star currently is Kevin Mayer. Kipchoge is not putting any butts in a stadium, but surely he must be very popular in Kenya.

I am sorry but you MUST admit that BOTH Kenya AND Ethiopia have very little if NONE out of state drug testing making it a mecca for indiscriminate doping. Admit it.

At least cycling is trying hard to bust dopers no matter the consequences (with the exception of we know whom: Team Sky and their protégé Chris Froome). I don't see the same efforts in athletics much less from Ethiopia and Kenya.

So MAN up, stop playing victim and playing the racial card and ADMIT Kenya and Ethiopia do absolutely NOTHING to catch their cheaters as in more out of control test, enforcing the Biological Passport, etc. Until then, you are just an apologist pariah.

I challenge you to ADMIT the problem, not cry like a child and play a race card that is running our of credit limit.

I meant out of competition drug testing, not state.