Another Kenyan Charged With Doping

Joplas wrote:

Rudisha has been injury ravaged since 2016. He has been competing internationally since 2006. How long do you think an athlete can remain competitive?

It would be very easy to pretend to have injury problems. Rudisha seemed to have ballooned in weight during the winter - surely a sign that he had no real intention of coming back. He is apparently back in training though.

Let's get real here. I think at this stage we have to admit two things.

1 - Most Kenyan elite runners are doping.

2 - Testing standards are getting better (or less pathetic), and most will/are getting caught.

Its obvious that africans/russian would dope more than someone from western europe/usa. All the reasons to dope are the same in any country. But the poorer the country the better is the risk/reward ratio. Winning a few races as a western european is not that great of a deal, while it is life changing (or even might safe your life) as an african. Of course poor people with less opportunities would be more likely dopers

why should i care about this no name? wrote:

Oh man, if even Cyrus Rutto isn't clean, who is?

Hannah montana wrote:

Any relation to Miley Cyrus?

LOOOOOOL

Coevett wrote:

Let's get real here. I think at this stage we have to admit two things.

1 - Most Kenyan elite runners are doping.

2 - Testing standards are getting better (or less pathetic), and most will/are getting caught.

I don't think you know what "most" means, because the support for that level of assumption is spurious.

Coevett wrote:

questions abound wrote:

[quote]Coevett wrote:

Uh oh. It appears this Michel Boeting also manages David Rudisha.

Is this why Rudisha has disappeared from the scene?

Possibly. But even more likely that it's the reason that Kipchoge only races twice a year

Only twice a year? How does he earn living and feed his family on only two races a year?

Coevett wrote:

So in the last 12 months, we have now had one of the top 3 Kenyan men's runners in the 800m, 1500, and 5000 suspended.

Ban Kenya athletics until it becomes clear there is a NGB that isn’t on the take and corner pharmacies pedaling PED’s with no repercussions.

Coevett wrote:

Let's get real here. I think at this stage we have to admit two things.

1 - Most Kenyan elite runners are doping.

2 - Testing standards are getting better (or less pathetic), and most will/are getting caught.

Its ridiculous to suggest that Kenyans are doping yet EU and US runners are clean. If anything, the fact that Kenyans are being busted and western runners are skating, is evidence that Kenya has a far more effective doping control system. Either that or Kenyan runners are not as sophisticated as their western counterparts when it comes to beating drug tests.

Take Mo Farah for example. As a youth he finished 59th in the world cross country. At 23 he finished 9th at the Commonwealth games 5000m behind nondescript runners like Marwa Mkami. At 24 he was 7th at the world championships. Then two years later he was invincible. That's a completely abnormal progression. And he is clean?

And what about runners like Courtney FRERICHS and Evan Jeiger who often beat East Africans who are supposedly doping? Neither has a normal progression. Are they also clean?

My take is that doping is still rampant across the sport. Whether it is African, European or North American, doping is commonplace. You are naïve to think otherwise. Or just biased.

Joplas wrote:

And what about runners like Courtney FRERICHS and Evan Jeiger who often beat East Africans who are supposedly doping? Neither has a normal progression. Are they also clean?

I'd say that Frerichs absolutely has a normal progression for someone who took up running later. Talented runner + late start = massive room for growth.

That is ridiculous. Here we have only a temporary suspension because of an ABP violation. I have proven over and over via superior statistics that these are caused by altitude; even the super transparent Paula had such a "violation"! In conclusion: there is no evidence that Rutto has doped. This proves that he is as clean as Paula, and by extension that all other Kenyans are clean too. Is it opposite day again?

Coevett wrote:

Let's get real here. I think at this stage we have to admit two things.

1 - Most Kenyan elite runners are doping.

2 - Testing standards are getting better (or less pathetic), and most will/are getting caught.

This is very weird wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Possibly. But even more likely that it's the reason that Kipchoge only races twice a year

Only twice a year? How does he earn living and feed his family on only two races a year?

Because each race he wins is a marathon major, netting ~ $150,000 EACH. Appearance fee runs close to $70-100k EACH. WR bonus is likely $200k. Course record is likely another $50k. Nike contract is probably another $100k/yr. Guy probably lives on $10k/yr!

100 mpw

If Americans suck as bad as they do and are doping, then that's horrible.

Agree with Farah. That guy has somehow avoided getting popped for awhile now.

Want to see the "real" Mo Farah? Here you go:

Coevett wrote:

Let's get real here. I think at this stage we have to admit two things.

1 - Most Kenyan elite runners are doping.

2 - Testing standards are getting better (or less pathetic), and most will/are getting caught.

Rubbish! Kenya has more elite mid/long distance runners than the rest of the world put together and busts are till under 1%. This Cyrus Rutto person is a nobody, unknown even on LetsRun, wouldn’t recognise him in a lineup (I mean, doped his way to 13th at the worlds? ? don’t hold your breaths for Kiprop style headlines in Kenyan media). But that won’t stop Kenya-obsessed bottom feeder racist coloniser Coevett using these inevitable lower tier busts to smear every Kenyan runner including David Rudisha to Eliud Kipchoge (already the most tested athletes in the world) and Coach Patrick Sang. Deplorable. Also, given that this is an ABP violation, I wouldn’t consider it ‘new’ per se or happening after doping controls and education have been improved in Kenya.

Boeting is right though, the AIU has disproportionately targeted Kenya to the extent that the much, much more sophisticated dopers in Western countries have been given free rein. No one is trying to catch them which is why they would have us believe that PED usage in Western Europe and North America is at 0%. Laughable! I say testing in those countries doesn’t work and it’s time they were stepped up to Kenyan levels and standards.

Mo Farah = protected doper. Just like Usain.

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I’m not definitively saying Kipchoge is clean, but how many ~2:04-2:06 guys run more than two marathons per year? Wouldn’t it be more suspect if he were throwing down those caliber times every 2-3 months? Plus how many years has he been a major player on the international scene, subject to testing and how non-suspect is his progression? I honestly think he’s among the least suspicious of the uber-talented runners. SMH.. some people.

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Maybe the Kenyans are getting popped so often because they’re sloppier about doping and haven’t caught up with the anti-doping protocols. Maybe “everyone” is doping but the Kenyans have been more brazen. (I.e. “everyone” else microdoses or has a cautious regimen while these knuckleheads go crazy.) Maybe Kenya has the worlds most reliable doorbells.

They are all doppers!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Calvinism#Doppers

To the blockheaded dimwit using false equivalency to call for Kenya to be banned, for catching actual dopers (something the U.S. and U.K. are definitely not doing), we’ve already been through this with a comprehensive two-year investigation and report clearing Kenya of systemic doping.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/45671651

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/09/28/more-sports/track-field/wada-report-concludes-kenya-doping-situation-serious-not-institutionalized/#.XK5Oq4qEahA

Brett Clothier said Kenyans made up 22 percent of the AIU’s out-of-competition testing program, and the country’s athletes took up “at least the equivalent amount of time in our investigations and intelligence team.”

The joint report concluded there was “widespread doping” in Kenya but “the doping practices of Kenyan athletes are unsophisticated, opportunistic and uncoordinated and there is no evidence of an institutionalized system.”

It didn’t need a two-year investigation to discover a problem, with a clear spike in cases involving athletes from the African country since around the time of the 2012 London Olympics.

What the report did do, however, was dig deeper into some of the reasons behind the mess in Kenya.

It appeared to separate Kenya’s doping problems from that of Russia and that country’s organized, state-sponsored scheme.

Doping in Kenya “is different from other doping structures discovered elsewhere in the world and, as such, it requires a different approach,” WADA director of intelligence and investigations Gunter Younger said.

El Keniano wrote:

To the blockheaded dimwit using false equivalency to call for Kenya to be banned, for catching actual dopers (something the U.S. and U.K. are definitely not doing), we’ve already been through this with a comprehensive two-year investigation and report clearing Kenya of systemic doping.

You're a joke El K. You really are insane enough to see every new Kenyan doping case as evidence not that there is a problem in Kenya but that Americans and British must be doping more. This despite the abject and corrupt standards of Kenyan testing that has come to light through the Kiprop tea money and texting details.

Doping might not be systematic in the sense that it has government blessing or direction, but it is being permitted through systematic corruption all the way through Kenyan society.

Kenya hasn't been banned because Coe and his colleagues probably feel that at least things are improving and that at least there is recognition both from the Kenyan athletics federation and the general public in Kenya that there is a massive problem.

In other words - if you were truly Kenyan and representative of the Kenyan athletics community, Kenya would have been banned already.

No it's not ridiculous to think that doping is a greater problem in Kenya when doping cases there are happening every month despite such low standards of testing.

Who cares what your take is? Do you think there's more than a handful of people on this Earth who seriously read of the latest Kenyan star being busted and thinks - 'well this proves that all the Americans and European runners are doping. I was right all along!'?

You're biased to think that a country whose athletes are dominating the sport and getting busted for peds every week despite weak testing standards are doping no more than other countries. In fact, you're more than biased - you're a hardcore racist by the correct definition of the term.

BTW, I think Mo Farah is a doper.

Once you cleanse your mind of African racial supremacy theories, you might be able to see that it's possible for an occasionally super talented non-African athlete to defeat a doped up East African.