Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

Frank Meza Report wrote:

Various posters did pick up on the physical discrepancy and attire. Iowa800 and others. Maybe some before.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9307635&page=21

I was taking the piss, in a nice sorta way.

HeStoopsToConquer wrote:

How many people finish a marathon like this?

https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=59D552&LastName=MEZA

Two that we know of, both happen to be doctors.

"Dr Frank Meza. Marathon Superstar. Age Record Cheat."

Nice video set to song and music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXYZGFw_ZQ4

You guys don't get it wrote:

LAM isn't going to DQ Meza. You guys don't comprehend the racial justice component of SoCal.

Ding ding ding ding! We have our first victimized white person response. And a classic complete with the " you guys just don't understand how unfair it is" thrown in.

Frank: "Bugger, that's another world record I could have had, I'll have to start employing the two watch strategy."

http://d35l3oybk21k7h.cloudfront.net/photos/photos/6277416_race_0.3399940168106095.display.jpg?1406592670

deadesq wrote:

And from the 2014 SF marathon. Note the lack of the D-ring on his shoes. Other runners have a white D-ring on their shoes in other photos from the same race.

First, Frank, 2:59:41, net time/gun time differential, 4min 19sec lol.

Second, Mike Urbanski, 3:37:44, net time/gun time differential, 58secs.

Bad luck Mike, if it's any consolation you're one of dozens he shafted.

Roderick, it is absolutely not a wrap yet. This MB is growing much faster now than when you posted unusual explanations for everything.

The same goes for Joe Ogata 3:46:45 at the 2014 San Diego Marathon. Sorry Joe, there is no beating Doctor D-Ring.

Just seemed as though many posts are related not on gaining further proof at other races he obviously duped. Which may be necessary to truly make this right at each individual race. Most posts are on calling FM's work, seemingly by people who are a bit more peeved than is healthy or even believable. As for dropping misleading clues, that insinuates that I know the answers. I , like the rest of us are seeking answers. Seems now the only answers to seek are how and why. That should be the focus more than how to protect the real world from FM. Let's just worry about protect the integrity of our races. I once mentioned a potty break for the 25 minute split at LAM 2018. That was one of 2 possibilities. The other was that FM miscalculated. As in many other splits at many races. Now that those of us who finally had the truth handed to us on a silver platter, (thanks Derek) all those who stated with certainty that FM was cheating have been proven to be right. I stand by my statement that FM can at times look in still photos like runners I know personally who have run sub 2:50 as masters runners here in so cal. BUT, in Derek's last 2 videos I knew instantly that FM was not capable of being legit. I believe the general public, and runners too will stop debating if they just watch those. The clues are always quite obvious, once you know the answer. BUT, they were quite obvious all along. Don't know about you all, but I already knew you could look at your pictures provided by timing companies like racewire, (yuck) and click them fast and have it look like you are actually running. Derek could maybe have doubled the speed, I don't know. Keep picking on me. I do see where you are coming from. But I was on the side of truth seeking all along. I believe most of us were. I asked Derek if its a wrap, because I did'nt know if he felt it was needed to "prove" cheating at other races. (know that we know the bottom line -- FM cheats)

I don't know why folks are so hard on the doubters. Each time someone raised an objection to the evidence of cheating, y'all came back with even better evidence of cheating. It worked really well.

The evidence went from "slim possibility of legitimacy" to "100 probability of cheating."

It's like science, man. Set out to disprove the hypothesis.

26 Day Twinkie wrote:

I don't know why folks are so hard on the doubters. Each time someone raised an objection to the evidence of cheating, y'all came back with even better evidence of cheating. It worked really well.

The evidence went from "slim possibility of legitimacy" to "100 probability of cheating."

It's like science, man. Set out to disprove the hypothesis.

If L.A would have DQd him after the first video, I wouldn’t have dug deeper into that race. There will be more in Frank. I want to establish the sheer volume of races that are suspicious and maybe go into detail on his Triathlons.

It seems the photographers were at 20km and the finish, obviously.

There was an automatic camera at 25km.

Our hero knew this and jumped onto the course at pace appropriate times to ensure he was caught by both cameras.

What did he do in the interim?

He must have had an accomplice to get him round the course - motorbike or driver. LA is very well set up for that because unlike say NYC, you can stay "inside" the course at all times and pop up when you need to.

Either he jumped onto the course to hit every timing mat and we only know about 2 because they're the ones that were photographed OR he had a ringer who was running some or all of the course for him and would pick up his chip after every camera appearance.

We should be able to figure this out. Not sure if it's been covered already, but who is this guy?

https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photo/en/usd/3017/13794/3017_027958#3017_027958

Neck and neck with Frank at one of the OTHER timing mats:

https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photo/en/usd/3017/1151/3017_046277#3017_046277

But searching on his bib number brings up someone else entirely. Is he running on a dupe bib?

Why couldn't he have ridden a motorbike himself? Why not simply get on the course and off again at each mat?

I guess this is possible but unlikely. Doubling back to transportation would have taken extra time and effort.

The guy in Green is 13794. Orange is 16809. They crossed finish line near the same time so there are shared photos.

https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photos/en/USD/3017/13794

https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photos/en/USD/3017/16809

I don't know if this was previously pointed out but in the photos he has his bib on his shorts AND his shirt tucked in. I suspect this is so he can easily untuck his shirt thus concealing his bib so he can bike or do whatever to get to the next chip mat unnoticed.

Lip Kitten wrote:

I guess this is possible but unlikely. Doubling back to transportation would have taken extra time and effort.

Who says the bike of whatever kind is parked more than 100 yards away from the mat each time?

Lip Kitten wrote:

I guess this is possible but unlikely. Doubling back to transportation would have taken extra time and effort.

If he generally ran only 1/4 mile or so at a time, it would work fine. He could park as close as possible to the timing mat - or just beyond.

It’s simple without an accomplice. If he’s been doing this pre-2014, it would seem likely to me that it’s been a solo effort.

the photo of fm w/ runner 16809 is at the 10K mat, at echo park. you can see in the photos

here are photos b/f the 10-k mat (see park in background).

https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/Run/11727

here are photos after the 10-k mat (see park in background).

https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/Run/47903

and not surprisingly, fm is not found in any of the photos b/f or after the 10-k mat, despite the other runners being photo'd.

doubler, keep up the good work! please expose him in as many races as you can. also, any word from the sprouts marathon? are they willing to dq fm? they should. if they do, maybe the la marathon will step up and do what's right.