Derek ...read this please. This site was not created to be an investigation, but it evolved to that...as is quite understandable. I believe the 'how" is the ultimate prize. The strange goings on at Pasadena (half) in Jan 19, got me to thinking. The son, (Francisco) used to be much faster than FM. In the "Disneyland '07 HM" the son ran 1:29:10, FM ran 1:45:40. at the 'Surf City '12 Marathon the son ran 3:45:30, FM ran 3:09:27. Almost looks like they simply switched bibs. Maybe amounts to nothing, but an investigation follows all possible paths. LAM '18 Fm ran 2:57:30, the son ran 3:09:10. Sound odd, but the son will soon be as fast as his father. The son started 1:32 after the clock started. I guess it runs in the family. That is a huge "clue". Noone who expects to challenge the all time fastest marathon age-group time would start anywhere but up close as possible without getting in front of the elites. At Long Beach FM should be front row. Frank Meza's CIM 14 result is still out there. http://www.marathonguide.com/results/search.cfm