Oh dear, another blast from the past comes back to bite Frank on the arse.
Oh dear, another blast from the past comes back to bite Frank on the arse.
LAM2019 wrote:
but i do like his video wrote:
Gotta say, this is easy to share and it gets the message out there!
I think a video of just 2019 and all the video/pics of him doing nothing in the middle of his world record would resonant more with the average runner. narrate with him peeing once, and then him lurking about, stretching for minutes, etc.
I'd do it, but i'm sure one of the whacks here will make it so.
If someone sent me all the pics & videos. I would make a humorous video using the Quik app on my phone.
Or if someone else is motivated, check out Quik. It is so good that GoPro bought it, and free to use on your phone.
It would only take half an hour.
Email me at
mikestewart90781@gmail.comRoderick Powell wrote:
To make myself perfectly clear...nothing I post regarding my opinion that Frank Meza has cheated at most of his marathons....is intended to motivate others to do the kind of harm that seems to permeate on this thread. This reaction to someone doing no more that you know of than cheat at marathons...is off the charts for too much. Which begs the question...with no BS justification...why? Wait, I've actually read enough already. Please drop the subject, there is really nothing more to say. You're point has been made. Thanks.
Way to cya on the potential lawsuit. I think it’s too late for you though. Hopefully, you can get the brojos to delete some posts.
Cya wrote:
Way to cya on the potential lawsuit. I think it’s too late for you though. Hopefully, you can get the brojos to delete some posts.
I thought that there hadn't been enough Grimes for Dimes action on this thread given that every other poster is an internet attorney.
triathleteguru wrote:
Smoove wrote:
Make no mistake. I think the guy is a cheater and has cheated for years and years. There’s never been an issue of the jury still being out for me. I’m just assessing where the line is on what the punishment should be.
I think we are probably closer in agreement than you might think. I don't think his punishment for being a duplicitous cheater for a decade or more in running races should necessarily extend to his professional life of doctoring. However, I do believe when one has shown a propensity to such behavior in one area, it might and likely does extend to other areas of ones life.
No, I have not reached out to his employer or to the medical board. If he comes clean, I never will and can let it go. If he gets excoriated by some major national, or at a minimum a large local source like LA Times, than sure, his employer and members of medical board will likely be aware. But if this starts to die down, go away with not a peep of an admission or regret from Frank or public awareness due to major media coverage, than I might file an official complaint.
Somewhere it was posted that Meza works as the supervisory physician for over 140 doctors at Kaiser Permanente's East LA office.
Digressing slightly, I was at the hospital visiting a family member a couple of weeks ago, and the attending physician struck up a short conversation with me about running -- he noticed my running shoes, watch, build, etc. and figured I looked like a kindred spirit, I guess. Moreover, it wasn't the first time I've had that experience. It strikes me that a lot of doctors run. In fact, there is some evidence for that impression:
https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20843974/half-of-young-doctors-are-runners/I suspect that among the doctors on staff at Kaiser Permanente, more than a few of them are recreational runners, and probably some of them are fairly competitive or marathoners themselves. At least among that group, Meza's shenanigans have probably been a subject of conversation between rounds. Whether or not any disciplinary action comes down, Meza knows that his cheating is known and that his reputation in his community is tarnished.
Roderick Powell wrote:
To make myself perfectly clear...nothing I post regarding my opinion that Frank Meza has cheated at most of his marathons....is intended to motivate others to do the kind of harm that seems to permeate on this thread. This reaction to someone doing no more that you know of than cheat at marathons...is off the charts for too much. Which begs the question...with no BS justification...why? Wait, I've actually read enough already. Please drop the subject, there is really nothing more to say. You're point has been made. Thanks.
Don't include me in your issues. I am not motivated to do any harm. I mentioned I see flaws with Kaiser, that doesn't make me evil. Can't help it if your conscience bothers you. I'll expand on my opinions when I feel like it too.
Ama... wrote:
People, he ain’t gonna lose his medical license for cheating at marathons. The ama doesn’t regulate a docs license. Whereas the ama could theoretically censor him (highly unlikely!!!) and kick him out of the ama, that would be counterculture to the real goal of the ama which is to collect membership fees from doctors. It’s a near worthless organization, medically speaking. It is not mandatory for docs to be in it.
State medical boards nix people licenses for things like repetitive bad malpractice, substance abuse, sexual abuse of patients, and really bad stuff. Not the moral reprehensibility of serial running cheating.
County medical boards are no more than glorified social clubs that usually do some charity work, typical via the spouses of doctors. They also could censor him but it would not mean a thing. Plus they might lose his membership dues if he’s even a member
Lastly, most doctors aren’t even members of the ama or their county societies.
Now get back to sleuthing that 3:28 “qualifier and stop fantasizing about official punishment they won’t happen.
Again... The fact that this will completely vaporise his Walter Mitty fantasy bubble and expose him to the ridicule of the very people he's been trying to impress for years, is reason enough to report him. You might think that this sort of negative publicity is nothing, but you are not someone (presumably) whose lifeblood seems to be dependent on impressing others with imaginary achievements.
Never underestimate the size of Frank's ego and the disproportionate amount of distress the deflation of this ego will cause.
The Kaiser Permanente Triathlon was mentioned many pages back. FM finished 3rd OVERALL out of 1,121 on the bike leg.
Either the man time trials like Big Mig, or he cut the course--at an event sponsored by his employer.
Cya wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
To make myself perfectly clear...nothing I post regarding my opinion that Frank Meza has cheated at most of his marathons....is intended to motivate others to do the kind of harm that seems to permeate on this thread. This reaction to someone doing no more that you know of than cheat at marathons...is off the charts for too much. Which begs the question...with no BS justification...why? Wait, I've actually read enough already. Please drop the subject, there is really nothing more to say. You're point has been made. Thanks.
Way to cya on the potential lawsuit. I think it’s too late for you though. Hopefully, you can get the brojos to delete some posts.
Truth is a complete defense in a libel lawsuit. FM has very high hurdles to clear on this subject for any legal action. Then again, maybe he will attempt a World Record attempt in the high hurdles too?
16th fastest run overall too. Nothing suspicious about that at all!
Are you sure about that? According to the results I see from that link he was maybe 3rd on the bike for his age group. Tons of people faster than him. And he's in the 55-59 age group? This was maybe 15 years ago?
Water Cooler Talk wrote:
The Kaiser Permanente Triathlon was mentioned many pages back. FM finished 3rd OVERALL out of 1,121 on the bike leg.
http://www.onlineraceresults.com/race/view_race.php?make_printable=1&lower_bound=0&highlight_no=199&order_by=OVERALL&race_id=9046&re_OVERALL_MAX=466&re_OVERALL_MIN=427&submit_action=select_result&upper_bound=40Either the man time trials like Big Mig, or he cut the course--at an event sponsored by his employer.
Whoops, you're right. Odd sorting. It only shows the first 40 fields unless you sort by division. You are correct.
Roderick Powell wrote:
To make myself perfectly clear...nothing I post regarding my opinion that Frank Meza has cheated at most of his marathons....is intended to motivate others to do the kind of harm that seems to permeate on this thread. This reaction to someone doing no more that you know of than cheat at marathons...is off the charts for too much. Which begs the question...with no BS justification...why? Wait, I've actually read enough already. Please drop the subject, there is really nothing more to say. You're point has been made. Thanks.
Given RP, triathguru, and doubler’s recent backtracking on holding Meza professionally accountable, I wonder if they have been contacted and told to shut it down or else.
66 year old guy runs a 10k split of 37:57 split between the 20k and 30k timing mats. Does this on a day with 88 degree weather. He's scheduled to be in a video interview later that day where he talks about breaking the marathon record for his age group! LA Marathon when notified in 2015 about irregularities and that Frank had been DQ'd from the CIM marathon - "We'll have someone monitor you if you run it next year Frank". Frank doesn't run it in 2016, but does the following three years. Evidence uncovered showing blatant evidence that Frank cut the course, LA Marathon response in 2019 - "We'll have someone monitor you if you run it next year Frank".
Is this just utter incompetence? Is this someone saying, he's an old guy, done so much good, let him keep his ill gained glory? Or is this someone at the LA Marathon taking money under the table?
Doubler, when you get back from vacation, I hope you're going to write more and maybe cover some of these questions!
Before I accuse the race management of taking money (that seems libelous) or of ignoring this or whatever, I'd like to know when they intend to make a decision and what the process is for making such a decision and how they will ultimately announce something. This can't drag on forever but it is certainly possible that they've notified Frank that he has a certain length of time to respond to an accusation, to submit GPS data or something similar before they plan to remove him from the results. Perhaps thirty days? I know that in most cases the accused would not be given that kind of time but we probably all agree that there are some aspects of this that could make race management proceed with a bit of caution and they would not want to look like it was a rush to judgment.
So, when would we reasonably expect this to conclude and how would we even know that it has?
RossiCheated wrote:
Before I accuse the race management of taking money (that seems libelous)
Agreed, but one does begin to wonder/question the possibility which is not libelous. When dealing with a minor league marathon, I guess not much can be expected!
LA Marathon complicit wrote:
Agreed, but one does begin to wonder/question the possibility which is not libelous. When dealing with a minor league marathon, I guess not much can be expected!
I suspect that the "loophole" you have come up with is no defense otherwise we could make any libellous remark we liked and put a question mark on the end.
RossiCheated wrote:
Before I accuse the race management of taking money (that seems libelous) or of ignoring this or whatever, I'd like to know when they intend to make a decision and what the process is for making such a decision and how they will ultimately announce something. This can't drag on forever but it is certainly possible that they've notified Frank that he has a certain length of time to respond to an accusation, to submit GPS data or something similar before they plan to remove him from the results. Perhaps thirty days? I know that in most cases the accused would not be given that kind of time but we probably all agree that there are some aspects of this that could make race management proceed with a bit of caution and they would not want to look like it was a rush to judgment.
So, when would we reasonably expect this to conclude and how would we even know that it has?
You are assuming the LA Marathon has not already completed their inquiry and letting the result stand as is?
splitwatcher wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
Before I accuse the race management of taking money (that seems libelous) or of ignoring this or whatever, I'd like to know when they intend to make a decision and what the process is for making such a decision and how they will ultimately announce something. This can't drag on forever but it is certainly possible that they've notified Frank that he has a certain length of time to respond to an accusation, to submit GPS data or something similar before they plan to remove him from the results. Perhaps thirty days? I know that in most cases the accused would not be given that kind of time but we probably all agree that there are some aspects of this that could make race management proceed with a bit of caution and they would not want to look like it was a rush to judgment.
So, when would we reasonably expect this to conclude and how would we even know that it has?
You are assuming the LA Marathon has not already completed their inquiry and letting the result stand as is?
I’m not really assuming anything. I think that is very much in the range of possibilities. I suppose I didn’t articulate that but it certainly is possible, pathetic as that may be.
LAM is quoted in Derrick's 6/3/19 article. I doesn't sound like they're continuing to investigate.
" We’ve decided to take a different tact: Next time Frank runs one of our races there will be an official observer in place. This is a great opportunity for him to confirm his past performances and end the conversation.
Pending any additional information, this is the best solution for all. Appreciate your efforts. Best."
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