you can't name it the mcchesney classic because 5k runners are banned by the IAAF.
neither does he have the og standard.
plus he's white, there are too many white runners these days.
three strikes and your're outta here.
you can't name it the mcchesney classic because 5k runners are banned by the IAAF.
neither does he have the og standard.
plus he's white, there are too many white runners these days.
three strikes and your're outta here.
Armstronglivs wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
McChesney was a great runner and without so many injuries he might have come close to matching Pre's accomplishments, but he never won an NCAA, open national or Olympic Trials race. Pre won four NCAA 5ks, multiple AAU 5Ks and the Olympic Trials.
As far as PRs, Pre had the faster mile and 10K times and McChesney the 3K and 5K. Prefontaine was also the most famous American distance runner, ever.
In college dorms, maybe. But not Shorter, Wottle, Schul - all Olympic champions - or Ryun (a multiple world record holder)? The myth of Prefontaine is just that. A story for kids.
Schul was before my time, but Wottle and Ryun were introverted much like Rupp is now. Prefontaine was charismatic, cocky and ran aggressively. None of the guys you mentioned have had movies made about them or a DL meet named in their honor.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
In college dorms, maybe. But not Shorter, Wottle, Schul - all Olympic champions - or Ryun (a multiple world record holder)? The myth of Prefontaine is just that. A story for kids.
Schul was before my time, but Wottle and Ryun were introverted much like Rupp is now. Prefontaine was charismatic, cocky and ran aggressively. None of the guys you mentioned have had movies made about them or a DL meet named in their honor.
A triumph of publicity over achievement, wouldn't you say?
Nicely done.
Armstronglivs wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Schul was before my time, but Wottle and Ryun were introverted much like Rupp is now. Prefontaine was charismatic, cocky and ran aggressively. None of the guys you mentioned have had movies made about them or a DL meet named in their honor.
A triumph of publicity over achievement, wouldn't you say?
He said most famous American distance runner ever, not most accomplished.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
A triumph of publicity over achievement, wouldn't you say?
He said most famous American distance runner ever, not most accomplished.
Well done. Just reiterating what I just said.
HRE wrote:
Thanks. I did think of some of the things you mention. Obviously being in DL meets is lucrative as this goes. But with fewer chances to run a really fast 5 or 10 and the need for faster times to get into the Worlds and Olympics there may be occasions when a 5 or 10 is more desirable. And there are always people who can't get into DL meets. Yeah, it would take some working out.
This assumes the 5 or 10 will be in the Olympics, which considering the removal of 5 and 10 from U20 worlds in Kenya no less (and the lack of any international developmental meets altogether) it seems very unlikely that the 5000m and 10,000m are contested events in the Olympics past 2020 considering the current trajectory.
Up and coming distance oriented runners should seriously consider moving over to the 10k race walk (which apparently is the future of athletics for its ability to push a “carnival atmosphere”) This would have be an almost unfathamable thought just days ago but that’s the reality of the situation now.
Distance running is DEAD as an internationally competetive event (people just don’t know it yet) ironically I right this as I am sitting in a park and have literally been past by dozens of people participating in distance runs of what are likely between 5 and 10k. All these people are middle class and would need to marketed to for clothes, shoes and other gear fit for that purpose and willingly spend $50 or more to enter fun runs so that they can mingle with other runners. But hey they are certainly not a market worth exploiting.
Are there any other American 4th placed Olympic finalists who died at 24 with every American record between 2k and 10k?
Armstronglivs wrote:
Is there another American 4th-placed Olympic finalist it can be named after?
I cannot fathom an Olympics without the 5000/10000m.
They are by far my favorite events to watch.
Sad day if it happens.
Yes, I was assuming the 5 and 10 will remain in the Olympics when I wrote that. I am not convinced that will be the case after 2020 and on the thread that said it's time for distance runners to leave IAAF I agreed that it's time because I can easily imagine the 3,000 being the longest track event in future Olympics.
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i'm kind of shocked that the message got through here, I mean, I had given up after so many years, but kept spouting out by habit.
like an alcoholic needing a drink or something.
ok, so it looks like people get it. but i see that mind set is you just like down and watch them eliminate your sport.
the deal is if you think you can't do anything about it. you can't do anything about it.
like taking a punch in the face from a bully.
there is the choice of swinging back. sure you might get bloody. actually you will get bloody if you actually step in the ring.
then again, the opponents are cowards, who will cry and cower with but one haymaker.
basically, do you want to be a pvssy?
zxcvzxvc wrote:
Are there any other American 4th placed Olympic finalists who died at 24 with every American record between 2k and 10k?
Armstronglivs wrote:
Is there another American 4th-placed Olympic finalist it can be named after?
You left out his SAT scores. I like the way you honour your triers.
Only in America could this question get any traction. Why was Pre's name honored? Because of his superior penmanship? His skill at home gardening? His juggling ability? I'm male, a physician with 45 years of practice behind me, a runner, and about 5000 other things. I consider that I've had a privileged position for observing and understanding H. sapiens. It's not a pretty view. Being male is a curse -- our systems struggle with surging testosterone and adrenalin, modulating behavioral commands originating in the reptilian midbrain, the frontal cortex constantly mediating between urges for self-preservation and tribal urges to protect the Chosen from The Other, The Warrior fighting with The Provider, each gaining/ceding psychic territory moment by moment. I'm a firm supporter of Me-Too, and similar movements, but there is insufficient recognition of the sheer difficulty of what society is asking us to do, on short notice over a brief time span. Many will howl in disbelief, but these statements are true:
-- Over 90% of adult men have made inappropriate sexual overtures to unwilling women (maybe just a hand brushing a shapely butt).
-- Excluding alcohol, over 80% of adult men use/have used illegal psychotropic drugs to the point of incapacitation.
Include alcohol, and it's over 95%.
-- Over 90% of adult men cannot see an attractive, early pubescent girl without feeling at least a twinge of a sexual urge.
-- I hate to speculate on the percentage of men who have initiated sexual contact with children, but it's not a single digit number. Now, a ¼ second fleeting thought counts as much as brushing your hand against the leg of a member of the U-10 soccer team you coach, which counts as much as rape. I'm counting INTENTION, not action, and no matter how brief.
My point is this: It is much harder being male than is generally recognized. Prefontaine's life was not conducted to perfection. But for his time and place, he was pretty ordinary, EXCEPT in his contribution to competitive and recreational running. It is for THAT that he was honored. Is it fair to use the rules of 2019 to judge actions of 1975? Would you rescind the honor because of bad penmanship?
oslerwannabe wrote:
My point is this: It is much harder being male than is generally recognized. Prefontaine's life was not conducted to perfection. But for his time and place, he was pretty ordinary, EXCEPT in his contribution to competitive and recreational running. It is for THAT that he was honored. Is it fair to use the rules of 2019 to judge actions of 1975? Would you rescind the honor because of bad penmanship?
Long-winded but you got the point across in the last few sentences.
Pre was a role-model/hero for so many of us during that time period.
Like some have said, maybe Pre was the James Dean of distance running.
He was MY hero and inspiration at the time.
oslerwannabe wrote:
Only in America could this question get any traction. Why was Pre's name honored? Because of his superior penmanship? His skill at home gardening? His juggling ability? I'm male, a physician with 45 years of practice behind me, a runner, and about 5000 other things. I consider that I've had a privileged position for observing and understanding H. sapiens. It's not a pretty view. Being male is a curse -- our systems struggle with surging testosterone and adrenalin, modulating behavioral commands originating in the reptilian midbrain, the frontal cortex constantly mediating between urges for self-preservation and tribal urges to protect the Chosen from The Other, The Warrior fighting with The Provider, each gaining/ceding psychic territory moment by moment. I'm a firm supporter of Me-Too, and similar movements, but there is insufficient recognition of the sheer difficulty of what society is asking us to do, on short notice over a brief time span. Many will howl in disbelief, but these statements are true:
-- Over 90% of adult men have made inappropriate sexual overtures to unwilling women (maybe just a hand brushing a shapely butt).
-- Excluding alcohol, over 80% of adult men use/have used illegal psychotropic drugs to the point of incapacitation.
Include alcohol, and it's over 95%.
-- Over 90% of adult men cannot see an attractive, early pubescent girl without feeling at least a twinge of a sexual urge.
-- I hate to speculate on the percentage of men who have initiated sexual contact with children, but it's not a single digit number. Now, a ¼ second fleeting thought counts as much as brushing your hand against the leg of a member of the U-10 soccer team you coach, which counts as much as rape. I'm counting INTENTION, not action, and no matter how brief.
My point is this: It is much harder being male than is generally recognized. Prefontaine's life was not conducted to perfection. But for his time and place, he was pretty ordinary, EXCEPT in his contribution to competitive and recreational running. It is for THAT that he was honored. Is it fair to use the rules of 2019 to judge actions of 1975? Would you rescind the honor because of bad penmanship?
much ado about nothing. using brain cells for nothing.
to study this debate is to study insanity of the mind all round. and the insanity is rampant.
idiots, the gullable, the type of people that went along with the nazis when it was ok, call people out for normal things, based on their own perverted views, which are induced from a warped education system and media.
prefontaine was just a popular runner, and the people liked him and they have a meet named after him.
that's all there is.
go for a run on the beach, have a shower, breathe the fresh air, have a shower and kiss a girl. and relax.
that's all there is to it.
of course the pervs out there, the real pervs, will try and call you out for kissing a girl, when the english usage means woman.
this is the type of insanity that must go immediately.
i was at the bar this evening and used some borat lines, and made it through the evening until the last few minutes, where
a white challenged person took exception to what i said ..... gotta calm down miss, borat is in the house, or at least a bad imitation.
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