Why is doing a 90-120 min run important for a 3.5 min race? Especially for pre competition phases and comp phases?
Why is doing a 90-120 min run important for a 3.5 min race? Especially for pre competition phases and comp phases?
It's not. Stop assuming false premises.
Aerobic workouts are good for races with aerobic components. Since the 1500m is largely aerobic, many runners find long runs beneficial for running the 1500m.
the long run does not directly help you run 1500m in 3.5 minutes, it helps you do the training that is necessary for you to run 1500m in 3.5 minutes. without the long run you would not be able to do the required training.
cheers.
cotton shirt wrote:
the long run does not directly help you run 1500m in 3.5 minutes, it helps you do the training that is necessary for you to run 1500m in 3.5 minutes. without the long run you would not be able to do the required training.
cheers.
This, unless you have some god-like talent.
When in Rome wrote:
cotton shirt wrote:
the long run does not directly help you run 1500m in 3.5 minutes, it helps you do the training that is necessary for you to run 1500m in 3.5 minutes. without the long run you would not be able to do the required training.
cheers.
This, unless you have some god-like talent.
or EPO
cotton shirt wrote:
the long run does not directly help you run 1500m in 3.5 minutes, it helps you do the training that is necessary for you to run 1500m in 3.5 minutes. without the long run you would not be able to do the required training.
cheers.
This sums it up pretty well. A major component of sport development is training to train. Spending the better part of 2hrs on the track running tempos and intervals requires a very well developed aerobic capacity. A 90min easy run helps your body adapt to the demand of long periods of effort on your feet.
Sprinters train with a similar concept but instead of 90min runs we do long peroids in the weight room focusing on whole body exercises.
Peter Snell
Big Red wrote:
Peter Snell
Kiprop told me his longest run ever is 18 km ( almost 11 miles). And the best 1500m runners of today use to run an hour for the longest run. So it`s absolutely not necessary to run more than that to reach your optimal performance when training for 1500m/mile
The Wizard
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Big Red wrote:
Peter Snell
Kiprop told me his longest run ever is 18 km ( almost 11 miles). And the best 1500m runners of today use to run an hour for the longest run. So it`s absolutely not necessary to run more than that to reach your optimal performance when training for 1500m/mile
The Wizard
Bad example using a convicted doper who got busted for epo...
Why is a long run good for the 1500?
Because it is what helps the runner in the last 800 meters of a 1500.
Long runs build strength. You need strength to maintain a strong pace in the last 800 meters of the 1500
I feel like you could be one of my runners from last year when I took over a new program. ‘When are we going to be done with these freaking stupid long runs?’ That athlete went on to PB in every distance.
Because it makes you run 1500m faster. Unless you are super talented or doping. Then you can shorten it.
cotton shirt wrote:
the long run does not directly help you run 1500m in 3.5 minutes, it helps you do the training that is necessary for you to run 1500m in 3.5 minutes. without the long run you would not be able to do the required training.
cheers.
That's as direct as any other training then.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
Big Red wrote:
Peter Snell
Kiprop told me his longest run ever is 18 km ( almost 11 miles). And the best 1500m runners of today use to run an hour for the longest run. So it`s absolutely not necessary to run more than that to reach your optimal performance when training for 1500m/mile
The Wizard
LOL now his signature is “The Wizard”
I think it’s pretty rare to seee a 1500m runner go that long for their long run.
More like 10-12 miles at most.
Star wrote:
I think it’s pretty rare to seee a 1500m runner go that long for their long run.
More like 10-12 miles at most.
Disagree. I think it’s like half and half. You got the likes of Centro, Merber, Willis who all have done 16-20 miles for long runs. And then you have some Kenyan groups who don’t run much longer than an hour at a time but might be running upwards of 100 miles a week.
the training advice generally here tends to be outdated notions.
the long run is optional, it's a pretty bad idea if you are going for 49-54 seconds per lap average.
a lot of 1500 guys train like a poor combination of a 5k guy that does a bad 800.
you want to train like the best. coe, elg, peter coe, joquim cruz, NOT like walker, scott, coghlan who were not focused and were all over the place. another guy like peter elliot was kind of all over the place in training, perhaps squandering world records in the process.
you dont emulate naturals like rono. komen, juanterano, and those guys that ran off one off talent, or vast quantities of peds and such.
why not follow the best.???
http://run-down.com/guests/mv_el_guerrouj.php
you change the schedule on the distance days, go easy if you're not recovered properly.
focus on the quality, and focus on recovery.....always the key no matter the mileage or schedule.
another note about world beaters schedules is that they are not always the same year in and year out, and there are a variety of phases, build up, race prep. racing, active rest, total rest, etc.
somewhere down the line, if you're going more than 50 meters, there is an aerobic component.
the aerobic component is useful to sprinters in that they can do more sprint training, and go rounds, and stand up to a longer season.
a sprinters secret weapon is secret aerobic work, which could be only hill repeats of 80 seconds.
top 1500 and even 800 guys have to run some mileage at some point,
1500 guys end up averaging 70 minutes aerobic per day or more, like an easy 4 miles in the morning and 8 miles at 5 min per mile in the afternoon, at some stage of the preparation, and throw in a couple of days real quality of like 20 or 30 minutes, hills or track or something.
so that is where a guy like coe, who claims like 50 miles a week, is full of it, if you add it all up, you're talking what> 80 to even touching on 100 miles / week here and there in the winter, from 80 minutes per day running at pace, plus quality remember jogging for him is 530 miles.
You can only follow this training if you had a plethora of EPO