Former Yale University 1500 school record holder James Shirvell arrested for attempted murder after stabbing gf while high on LS

Loser alert... wrote:

He eventually was put on suicide watch, and two years later was pulled over by a state trooper where they found a large quantity of various illegal drugs. Obviously, LSD being just one of them. For my roommate from prep school, LSD was the beginning of the end for him. He had a bright future, and I wish there was something I could have done to have stopped this from happening.

So what ended up happening? Jail? OD?

Jail time. One year. Due to his age at the time, 20, and being in college, the judge had some sympathy for him in feeling that he would be better served with a shorter sentence due to the fact that he was so young and could potentially turn his life around. In light of how severe of an offense that was, carrying a large quantity of illegal substances across state lines, he was let off on the lighter side of things.

He ended up cooperating, and is now substance free. We are back in touch, and live in the same city. It was a dark few years, but he is back running and has since been far happier. We didn't get back in touch until our coach passed away, but I think that was also part of him committing to a different life.

We're still relatively young (late 20's), and plenty of life left to live. Glad to be close again, and glad to see him happy. He also has a great job now too.

You guys missed my article. The victim sounds like she definitely won't cooperate with serious charges.

DA will offer him a good plea because they don't want this going to trial.

6 months to a year. CA is very good to first offenders (as they arguably should be).

Not a lawyer by any stretch but have talked to people more knowledgeable.

Also LSD probably can make you violent in rare cases. Not sure why there is so much debate here. Nobody is blaming only the drugs here but denying that they can alter your behavior seriously is dumb.

rojo wrote:

So what ended up happening? Jail? OD?

OD? On LSD? Really, rojo? What is the LD50 of LSD??

psychedelic use associated with lower rates of mental health problems than the general population:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article%3Fid%3D10.1371/journal.pone.0063972

[quote]Harambe wrote:

"Nobody is blaming only the drugs here but denying that they can alter your behavior seriously is dumb."

Nobody is saying using intoxicants can alter behavior.

We are questioning the assertion that LSD can make one become homicidal.

Straw man stuff wrote:

[quote]Harambe wrote:

"Nobody is blaming only the drugs here but denying that they can alter your behavior seriously is dumb."

Nobody is saying using intoxicants can alter behavior.

We are questioning the assertion that LSD can make one become homicidal.

I've never used hallucinogens myself, but know others who have. None of they had violent episodes, but a quick google search finds these:

And, of course, there's the Manson family.

I don't think it's common, in fact some of these stories are from the 90's or earlier this century. However, we all know bad trips happen where people can not tell reality from non-reality. We know people can experience great fear and paranoia on LSD. To say that it can't happen or it must be something else does not seem to be supported by the facts.

I don't know this guy. He might be violent and LSD is just an excuse. Or maybe he's a mild mannered guy doing the hipster thing and is now suffering the horrible consequences.

lsd user wrote:

I dunno boys wrote:

Tens of millions of people have done LSD and not gotten violent.

Something odd here.

Having tried LSD in the past I can attest that it's not even a slightly violence or craziness inducing drug. It has a slight "upper" effect but nothing like meth. Really it makes you want to sit and stare at a flower or some clouds, or even the wall (which will be moving). It's nice to listen to some music and you might want to dance or otherwise move a bit. A bad trip might make you feel sad. But certainly not violent. Maybe he was on acid. But don't blame the acid.

that is how the drug is intended to be used and how it affects most people. however, some people have different effects. it can be rare but it happens. going to assume this was his first time trying LSD.

Straw man stuff wrote:

[quote]Harambe wrote:

"Nobody is blaming only the drugs here but denying that they can alter your behavior seriously is dumb."

Nobody is saying using intoxicants can alter behavior.

We are questioning the assertion that LSD can make one become homicidal.

Will the Skull &Bones Society of San Quentin be up to taking on the Crips, El Norte and MS13 gangs?

Drugs are OK, OK wrote:

rojo wrote:

So what ended up happening? Jail? OD?

OD? On LSD? Really, rojo? What is the LD50 of LSD??

Rojo poses a legitimate question. The guy may have gone down a dark path and OD'd. My wife's office manager's daughter used to trip acid before transitioning to opiates and ODing last year. My cousin started with acid, then weed before taking his own life with a shotgun to the mouth at the age of 29. I could go on and on about people I have known that were into recreational drugs growing up that are now dead or living in their parents basement at the age of 45 because they fried parts of their brains. These are dangerous chemicals that should never be taken recreationally.

joedirt wrote:

My wife's office manager's daughter used to trip acid before transitioning to opiates and ODing last year. My cousin started with acid, then weed before taking his own life with a shotgun to the mouth at the age of 29. I could go on and on about people I have known that were into recreational drugs growing up that are now dead or living in their parents basement at the age of 45 because they fried parts of their brains. These are dangerous chemicals that should never be taken recreationally.

You have mentioned similar multiple times on various threads. Which makes me wonder why my experiences differ from yours so much. Can you share your socioeconomic and educational background?

Upper middle class, upper tier university education on this end. Public high school, but all of my friends and I were in honors type classes. No ODs, no deaths of any kind, no unwanted kids. Good careers across the board.

Plenty of drugs and alcohol around both in high school and college. (Not a ton for me but some of my friends were heavy users.)

Maybe there's another correlation? But social class seems like a good starting point.

You can't OD on LSD. You get to a certain point, and that's it.

Alcohol IN ANY AMOUNT is bad for you. It's a solvent. It disintegrates things. You've seen Coca-Cola do bad stuff in videos? That comes in plastic bottles. Booze comes in glass. Think about it.

Marijuana is the safest thing talked about here. It's less toxic to your body than caffeine and aspirin. If you don't want to smoke it, and increase the stuff you inhale by .0000000001 compared to the polluted air you breath, you can eat it.

There are an awful lot of misinformed people here.

Lol Rojo I like you but you're actually an idiot. He doesn't make any distinction between acid and LSD.

I cannot speak from personal experience, but from reading about it online and talking to friends who have taken it, I never got the impression it can make you violent. I have heard that bad trips can seriously screw you up permanently though.

I dunno boys wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

Read about this yesterday. Yikes.

I dunno.

Tens of millions of people have done LSD and not gotten violent.

Something odd here.

ya, needs looking into, like interaction with pharmaceuticals or something else.

LSD is on the lowest list of drugs that make people violent, though on a trip, one can imagine they can fly or something, and "fly" out the top floor window to their death, via "suicide" and things of that nature.

prescription drugs, alcohol and cocaine account for most drug induced violent acts

older research tends to be better in most any topic, in the later 2000's, the peer review process has pretty much broken down, into crony review process.

check it.

In the popular mythology, LSD users are prone to violent outbursts and bizarre, sometimes violent, behavior. The literature on LSD does document some bizarre episodes but, given the millions of doses that have been consumed since the 1950s, these are rare. The medical literature is valuable in documenting the occurrence of adverse consequences attributed to LSD use and is a good indicator of which adverse effects are common and which are infrequent. By far the most common adverse reaction to LSD is a bad trip, an acute anxiety or panic reaction following ingestion of the drug. Prolonged psychiatric illness appears to be a rare complication of LSD use; if large numbers of such cases exist, they are not documented in the scientific literature. LSD as a cause of suicide is difficult to evaluate, but probably infrequent. A few homicides are alleged to have been committed by persons under the influence of LSD. Aggression is not a common response to LSD, however, and the involvement of other drugs and prior psychiatric illness appear to have been contributing factors. LSD appears to pose few if any risks to physical health. Long-term chronic abuse of LSD rarely develops. Although LSD can induce chromosome breaks both in laboratory cell cultures and in the circulating blood cells of LSD users, it has no lasting effect on genes or chromosomes. Notes

jesuschrist, wojo's went to what university and for what purpose, major in personal lobotomy studies?

shocking wojo's brojos comments from planet ignorance. wtf???

amazing people on letsrun know what LD50 is.

LSD dose is in micro grams, making it impossible to overdose, unless you try to take like 100,000 hits, based on rodent toxicity studies..

in comparison, that's like drinking 20,000 half sacks - doses of beer, ......

ogm wtf

holy shite wrote:

Violence is a very atypical reaction to LSD. He was likely taking a different drug without knowing it. Taking drugs is a risk, especially if you don't get them tested to make sure they are what you think they are.

Blaming LSD is a media thing. Bad trips happen, particularly to older users. Violent people can be violent on drugs. LSD works nothing like non-users sometimes try to spin in the media. It slightly alters perception and can feel confusing. Nothing close to as powerful an intoxicant as heavy drinking, for example.

Most standard psychadelics do not make someone violent. Someone with a poor relationship dynamic trying to do things on drugs may act in poorer judgement than otherwise. It's not like LSD = "I think I am Jimi Hendrix and an alien invasion is happening." It makes you see blurred patterns if you look closely at the right texture and think extra slowly about some things, sometimes. Probably not the best idea to do, as it disrupts a resume and career of well-adjusted people, most of the time.

Yeah, this is a symptom of other things. psychedelics for recreation is one thing. Opiates, binge drinking, and drugs to suppress reality are another and usually a symptom of someone failing, otherwise, in life, before the drugs. They of course are the pathway to further failure, not recovery, of course, for these people.

Acid and opiates do not 'fry' anything in your brain. Many drugs do, particularly volatile solvents ("huffing"), irresponsible MDMA use, and long-term binge drinking.

Anyway, almost all of this is a symptom of failure dynamics elsewhere in life. It is sensible to avoid the particularly brain-damage inducing drugs while you are young, in any case.

LSD is far less toxic than alcohol, yet if someone gets violent on booze, do people respond with "Poor guy! that evil alcohol is completely responsible for his behavior!"?

Most people can drink without getting violent, and probably even more as a matter of % can trip without getting violent or suicidal.

joedirt wrote:

LOL, you are lucky, not smart. Here is a story of another 50 year old man that didn't end quite as well.

https://www.chieftain.com/51ee3a78-a918-11e0-8882-001cc4c002e0.html

I have a good chuckle every time I read that article and every time I hear some idiot proclaim how safe LSD is. All drugs have side effects. Some more severe than others. Say no to drugs kids. Dead in a ravine with your pants around one ankle is no way to end up.

Alcohol is mentioned here, but not LSD.