Official 2019 Euro Indoors Day 3 Discussion Thread. 800 and 1500 finals.

57 second last 400 from the front for Muir! 28, 29

My word wrote:

whatwasthestrat wrote:

What was Jakob + his team thinking? Let the race go out in 63s for 1000m only to have one of the best 800m in the world (and good tactical runner) destroy the last 200m? Jakob should've made it fast or went from further out. He wasn't going to close faster than Lewandowski's 51 today.

Hats off to Marcin. Great win for him, fun to watch. 31 year old still has some devastating speed.

No idea what they were thinking. Not going all out was a bad move. Lewandowski is a 1:43 runner!!

Yes, next time we should go all-out so we can rabbit Lewandowski to a fast time and you can call us idiots for leading from the gun and letting everyone draft. Thanks for the tip.

I know a fast first k but Laura has certainly added a much better kick this winter. Really excited about what she can do this summer.

So one cracking 1500 and one procession :-) Wish I could have got a ticket.

Just reviewing Lewandowski's annual progression and his top level consistency really is staggering. Ten consecutive years running 144 or faster.

The amount of slander and hate that’s already being directed at Athing Mu is ridiculous. You are one of those who brings this site and forum down.

The Scot wrote:

So one cracking 1500 and one procession :-) Wish I could have got a ticket.

Just reviewing Lewandowski's annual progression and his top level consistency really is staggering. Ten consecutive years running 144 or faster.

Yeah and not many guys successfully move up to the 1500 when their best event is the 800 for so long

Gjert Ingebrigtsen wrote:

My word wrote:

No idea what they were thinking. Not going all out was a bad move. Lewandowski is a 1:43 runner!!

Yes, next time we should go all-out so we can rabbit Lewandowski to a fast time and you can call us idiots for leading from the gun and letting everyone draft. Thanks for the tip.

Just a little bit of inexperience showed by Jakob. Letting the race come down to a 600m sprint is never going to go well against Lewandowski. 2:06 is too slow at 800m. If Jakob produced a 3:36 I really reckon Lewandowski would have been dropped.

Great run by both athletes nevertheless.

exrunner wrote:

Gjert Ingebrigtsen wrote:

Yes, next time we should go all-out so we can rabbit Lewandowski to a fast time and you can call us idiots for leading from the gun and letting everyone draft. Thanks for the tip.

Just a little bit of inexperience showed by Jakob. Letting the race come down to a 600m sprint is never going to go well against Lewandowski. 2:06 is too slow at 800m. If Jakob produced a 3:36 I really reckon Lewandowski would have been dropped.

Great run by both athletes nevertheless.

+1

Lew is raking in 1500 medals and "only" has a PR of 3:34.

#woke

When Marcin slammed into the lead with two laps to go I thought "he moved to abruptly...gonna fade in the final stretch". I suspect that Jakob had the same thought, he just needed to be patient. Lewandowski proved me very wrong on that call.

I guess that 1:43 speed + 100 mile weeks will do that. He is the Polish Peter Snell.

122 sad seconds wrote:

Why did they even bother having a women's 800 meters at this meet? 2:02? The winner wouldn't have beaten the best American high-schooler.

The two best 800m runners of the indoor season were in the 1500m, Muir and Ennaoui. But the first three today all have 1:58,xx outdoor PBs, so they are pretty good.

Fun fact: Muir's second half of the 3000m was a little faster than her winning time today, Koko' second half would have been fast enough for second place.

Muir's 57-low finish was great, but in the context of a 1:29 final 600...awesome!

The battle between Ennaoui and Mageean was excellent as well.

Really impressed by Lewandowski. It almost looked like he went for the finish 1 round too early, but he just powered on immensely to take it home.

Good lesson and good tournament for Jakob though.

Laura M-F Muir. Love it!

Caveat: I know little about 1500m racing.

Sure JI could have set a more punishing pace throughout the race, and he might then have won, but I thought that he made a good move, and timed it well, leaving that other runner between him and ML. I think that he should have gone a bit harder at that point, and driven Lew's disadvantage at that point, because like you guys are saying, he just doesn't have the finishing speed otherwise.

If he had Muir's balls, JI might have won. Check out Muir, going HARD at the finish of both the 3000 and the 1500, even after she had both races totally won. That's the kind of shxt I love.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Caveat: I know little about 1500m racing.

Sure JI could have set a more punishing pace throughout the race, and he might then have won, but I thought that he made a good move, and timed it well, leaving that other runner between him and ML. I think that he should have gone a bit harder at that point, and driven Lew's disadvantage at that point, because like you guys are saying, he just doesn't have the finishing speed otherwise.

If he had Muir's balls, JI might have won. Check out Muir, going HARD at the finish of both the 3000 and the 1500, even after she had both races totally won. That's the kind of shxt I love.

You can't compare Laura's and Jakob's efforts. There was no female equivalent of Lewandowski in the women's field (despite the convenience of Ennaoui being Polish).

Well, at least we saw how fast Jakob could close, quite a good close for indoors. But honestly, it is unintelligent to think you're going to outkick a 1:43 800m runner off a 2:06 start when 1:49.40 is still your personal best (albeit capable of 1:45, I am sure).

zcxvzcxv wrote:

Well, at least we saw how fast Jakob could close, quite a good close for indoors. But honestly, it is unintelligent to think you're going to outkick a 1:43 800m runner off a 2:06 start when 1:49.40 is still your personal best (albeit capable of 1:45, I am sure).

It was less than two years ago that a 1:44-mid guy outkicked a 1:43-low AND a 1:42-mid guy off of a much slower initial pace (and both had much better 1500 PRs and previous gold medals in the event). Championship racing is more calculus than arithmetic. Jakob will be a better racer because of this.

YMMV wrote:

zcxvzcxv wrote:

Well, at least we saw how fast Jakob could close, quite a good close for indoors. But honestly, it is unintelligent to think you're going to outkick a 1:43 800m runner off a 2:06 start when 1:49.40 is still your personal best (albeit capable of 1:45, I am sure).

It was less than two years ago that a 1:44-mid guy outkicked a 1:43-low AND a 1:42-mid guy off of a much slower initial pace (and both had much better 1500 PRs and previous gold medals in the event). Championship racing is more calculus than arithmetic. Jakob will be a better racer because of this.

Exactly, 800m speed is a red herring. Jakob was tired from the 3k and Lewandowski has become a very good 1500m runner. He could run at least 3:32 outdoors, maybe 3:30 in Monaco.