Hokatwotwo wrote:
Science has proven MOST vaccines are bogus.
Link?
To a credible source?
So, you know, not to a blog?
Hokatwotwo wrote:
Science has proven MOST vaccines are bogus.
Link?
To a credible source?
So, you know, not to a blog?
Doc Vaccine wrote:
Over time, the disease disappears because most people are immune.
No it doesn't, and this is the real scientific grounds against vaccination, as opposed to that autism red herring.
Natural selection is real. While herds are being discussed, consider the importance of culling a herd. You can drive a pathogen into a marginal reservoir for a few generations, but unless you eradicate it completely, it will come back with a vengeance to a non-resistant population when the vaccines stop, as they must - civilizations always collapse.
The more things people are vaccinated for, the worse this will be. Is that "herd immunity" talk really about the good of the herd, or just certain individuals you want to protect?
Sorry to disappoint any baby killers but the definition of a fetus is “an unborn baby”. So it is a baby. A white baby is a baby, a black baby is a baby, a born baby is a baby, and an unborn baby is a baby. Unborn is the adjective that describes the noun. They are all babies by the dictionary definition. A square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares. A fetus is a baby but not all babies are fetuses although they all were at one point in time.
Some disease will wipe out all of the unvaccinated but unfortunately it will take out a few of the smart ones also who the vaccine was not fully affective for.
20% success rate.... wrote:
That's why I have never received a flu shot.
Brought to you by the same people who stop believing in global warming after a cold day!
Fuktards wrote:
really wrote:
wow an edgy letsrunner claiming that vaccines dont work. youre either an 8/10 troll or just really really stupid
Vaccine deniers
Climate change deniers
Flat earthers
Believers in god
We’d be in a better place if Darwin did his thing with these people.
I'm going out on limb and suggest that you have never read On the Origin of Species.
Just call me Mr. Double Negative wrote:
Harvard-Westlake, which has campuses in Studio City and Beverly Crest, was hit particularly hard, with 30 students coming down with whooping cough since November, according to the Hollywood Reporter.
The epidemic, which began on Nov. 16, had only reached 23 cases on Valentine’s Day, by Harvard-Westlake’s own prior parental communications. This means the count grew notably higher, as a percentage of the whole, in the following eight days.
Of about 1,600 students attend Harvard-Westlake, where tuition is close to $40,000 a year, only 18 opted out of vaccinations for medical reasons. None of the 30 students who contracted whooping cough were not vaccinated.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/27/whooping-cough-harvard-westlake/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/whooping-cough-outbreak-hits-la-private-school-harvard-westlake-1190769
You state that 18 opted out due to medical reasons. How many opted out due to religious reasons? That statistic is missing and key
CycloneAlum wrote:
Just call me Mr. Double Negative wrote:
Harvard-Westlake, which has campuses in Studio City and Beverly Crest, was hit particularly hard, with 30 students coming down with whooping cough since November, according to the Hollywood Reporter.
The epidemic, which began on Nov. 16, had only reached 23 cases on Valentine’s Day, by Harvard-Westlake’s own prior parental communications. This means the count grew notably higher, as a percentage of the whole, in the following eight days.
Of about 1,600 students attend Harvard-Westlake, where tuition is close to $40,000 a year, only 18 opted out of vaccinations for medical reasons. None of the 30 students who contracted whooping cough were not vaccinated.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/27/whooping-cough-harvard-westlake/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/whooping-cough-outbreak-hits-la-private-school-harvard-westlake-1190769You state that 18 opted out due to medical reasons. How many opted out due to religious reasons? That statistic is missing and key
There should be no such thing as a religious “objection” to vaccination—but I get your point. Are there branches of Christianity that tell their parishioners they should no vaccinate their kids? Is that a thing?
Yes. An intelligent, responsible voice among idiots.
Waiting for Ebola to show up and see how fast the antivxers race to get immunized. If they choose not to then it's a win-win.
polevaultpower wrote:
The problem with this entire thread is that none of you understand what is going on with the pertussis vaccine. By framing this around whether or not someone "gets" pertussis, you miss the whole point.
Take all other vaccines out of the equation. Every vaccine preventable disease is different and every vaccine works in a different way.
To understand what is happening with pertussis today, you have to understand where we have been. The vaccine used historically for pertussis was the whole cell vaccine in the DTP shot. If you are in ~ your mid 20s or older, you most likely received the whole cell vaccine at some point in your childhood.
But a small but significant percentage of kids were experiencing severe side effects from the whole cell pertussis vaccine including severe brain damage and death. This is before the internet, before the widespread woo science we have today. In the 1980s, vaccine manufacturers were threatening to stop making the vaccine because they were getting sued by so many families of the children their vaccine killed. So the government created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and created laws that make it impossible to sue vaccine manufacturers.
The quest for a safer pertussis vaccine began, and brought us the acellular pertussis vaccine. This is a much safer vaccine, with far fewer serious side effects.
But here is the problem with this discussion. You all are framing the conversation around whether or not this vaccine PREVENTS pertussis.
The science is becoming more and more clear that it does a poor job of preventing pertussis, I will post links below.
What is DOES do fairly well is reduce the symptoms of pertussis, to the point that the child is either has no symptoms or has very mild symptoms.
As far as the vaccinated child goes, that is a GOOD thing. This SAVES LIVES. This is a huge benefit to the vaccinated child. Pertussis really sucks for most people who get it. I have a friend who had it as an adult a few years ago (I am not sure if he was ever vaccinated or not) and he was basically non stop sever coughing for a month.
As far as public health goes, the pertussis vaccine we are using today does not provide herd immunity. It actually does the opposite, because during pertussis outbreaks, vaccinated children are catching the disease and because their vaccine is effective at reducing the symptoms, no one knows they have it.
This is why cocooning infants (vaccinating everyone around them for pertussis) has failed to protect them. Now they want women to get the vaccine during pregnancy, in hopes that it increases the baby's resistance to pertussis in the first few months, when they are most vulnerable.
We know that during pertussis outbreaks, the majority of identified cases are in vaccinated children. The true rate in which vaccinated children are _spreading_ pertussis is unknown because generally no one is testing healthy kids during outbreaks, and the truth is, doctors are reluctant to test vaccinated kids for diseases they have been vaccinated against. I have experienced this with my kids, I had to push to get a pertussis test done when my son had a cough for a week (he ended up having RSV and rhinovirus, not pertussis) and I have had friends with similar experiences with mumps as well.
Here is an excellent peer reviewed study about asymptomatic pertussis transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/pdf/12916_2015_Article_382.pdfHere is the now famous study in baboons that showed very clearly that asymptomatic transmission is a big problem with the acellular vaccine:
https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787As a parent today, what are your options? We don't have the whole cell vaccine in the US. IMO, getting the vaccine is better than not. We don't know if today's vaccinated kids will have any protection from pertussis as adults, but it is not like measles or chickenpox where it is a more serious disease in adults. Pertussis is most serious in young children.
I vaccinated my kids on time for pertussis, despite the limitations of the vaccine.
But are anti-vaxers to blame for the resurgence of pertussis? The SCIENCE clearly shows NO. I feel bad for their kids if their kids get pertussis, because they will probably be VERY sick, but they will also be staying home, not spreading pertussis in the community. The vaccinated kids whose vaccine is working are the ones spreading pertussis during an outbreak because no one knows they are contagious.
Families have been torn apart by this issue. New parents have it drilled into them that anyone who does not receive this vaccine must never be near their child. And unfortunately, the science has shown this to be false. All of the drama over nothing. Vaccinating everyone in the family for pertussis has utterly failed to protect infants. This vaccine only protects the individual being vaccinated.
And again, all of this ONLY applies to pertussis. Measles, chickenpox, mumps, influenza... the science is completely different for all of those diseases and vaccines.
tl;dr: The pertussis vaccine used today doesn't really prevent pertussis, it weakens the symptoms, don't blame anti-vaxers for pertussis outbreaks.
Just gonna bump this guy’s post.
30 less people will get autism.
CycloneAlum wrote:
You state that 18 opted out due to medical reasons. How many opted out due to religious reasons? That statistic is missing and key
California eliminated religious exemptions. They only have medical exemptions.
Ithappenedtous wrote:
Look in VAERS. There’s a lot more that goes into vaccination. It’s not one size fits all. I personally expeirenced my nephews regress in to autism and family friends baby’s eyes turned in.
We need more research it’s not there. The science isn’t settled as science is. You can’t force this on people.
People don't "regress into autism". Stop making sh*t up.
Free thinking? wrote:
I was once an embryo and a fetus, but I was always me. Thank you.
Is a single stem cell a person?
Until you’ve experienced a family member or someone close to you have a vaccine reaction I’d be careful how you say things.
And yes you can regress into autism. Brain swelling after vaccines and now you have damage. It can present many different ways hence the autism spectrum.
Science says that a baby is human once it has its own heartbeat.
Hoka74 wrote:
Until you’ve experienced a family member or someone close to you have a vaccine reaction I’d be careful how you say things.
And yes you can regress into autism. Brain swelling after vaccines and now you have damage. It can present many different ways hence the autism spectrum.
Just. Stop. Spreading. Misinformation.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.htmlPlease stop wrote:
Hoka74 wrote:
Until you’ve experienced a family member or someone close to you have a vaccine reaction I’d be careful how you say things.
And yes you can regress into autism. Brain swelling after vaccines and now you have damage. It can present many different ways hence the autism spectrum.
Just. Stop. Spreading. Misinformation.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
Yeah...right, trust the CDC on this? ?
https://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/statement-from-william-thompson-re-pediatrics-mmr-african-american-males-data.htmlhttps://kellybroganmd.com/cdc-youre-fired-autism-coverup-exposed/https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546453/senator-posey-calls-investigation-cdc-fraudBarrel of Laughs wrote:
Please stop wrote:
Just. Stop. Spreading. Misinformation.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.htmlYeah...right, trust the CDC on this? ?
https://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/statement-from-william-thompson-re-pediatrics-mmr-african-american-males-data.htmlhttps://kellybroganmd.com/cdc-youre-fired-autism-coverup-exposed/https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546453/senator-posey-calls-investigation-cdc-fraud
This isn't proof, it's opinion. The misinformation you are spreading is dangerous. Here is proof:
https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/do-vaccines-cause-autismhttps://www.verywellhealth.com/the-mmr-vaccination-autism-controversy-260556https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/You're clueless...it's not an opinion it's a fact! Dr. Thompson is/was a research scientist for the CDC who is stating that fraud was conducting on a MMR study that he was personally involved in (he prepared a signed statement through his attorney that's posted above!). It took a lot of balls for him to come forward - he may not even work there anymore because of his whistleblowing.
http://vaxxedthemovie.com/download-the-cdc-autism-mmr-files-released-by-dr-william-thompson/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHWQbkaRnM
And most pediatricians are scared to death to speak out against or question the vaccine schedule for fear of losing their jobs...but not here:
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/pediatrician-believes-vaccines-are-messing-nature/
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