Armstrong - Carmichael - Koop - Fraioli

A further disgrace is his open suspicion of runners like Rupp who are coached by Salazar but offers no suspicion and often much praise of athletes coached by Koop/CTS, even when they regularly avoid races with drug testing and undergo non-race testing.

Champions for a clean sport should be a little ore consistent in their treatment of athletes.

Was the Salazar/Schumacher thread making you bored? That's why you started another one?

Double Standard wrote:

Why does Mario Fraioli keep endorsing, retweating and soft promoting Jason Koop while bashing Salazar and NOP at every turn?

Another case of lack of journalistic integrity.

What are you talking about??

To save me the trouble of looking it up, can you list athletes currently being coached by Koop?

Thanks

armstrong was never coached by carmichael. that was just a business deal to raise carmichael's profile.

however, I still fully trust Koop's athletes.

the athletes I'm thinking of are Dylan Bowman and Kaci Lickteig. They both race high-profile events (not dodging testing, though there just isn't much testing in general). Both also are fairly steady year to year, race to race. Never huge improvements, never sketchy results.

...... All the while lining the pockets of one of the dirtiest coaches of the last few decades (Carmichael). If Koop is clean why work for Carmichael for so long. Why attach yourself to filth. Geez, the man as aggressively doping teenagers. Why work for and enrich such a man.

As far as Bowman’s and Lickteig, why associate with a group and be linked to such scum as Carmichael. If they do good it helps him. I couldn’t stomach that as an athlete.

Something tells me nobody could stomach you as an athlete.

IP wrote:

Was the Salazar/Schumacher thread making you bored? That's why you started another one?

I didn't start this thread and I will never apoligise for demanding consistency across the board in track and field. When that many athletes/coaches and governing bodies are involved with a dodgy doctor and only one group is under investigation, I think it's a crime against clean sport. You would rather put fingers in your ears though.

Ultrarunning magazine is no better. The worse thing that can happen to ultrarunning is more big doping scandals. But the magazine which has the most to benefit from a strong sport has decided to have a Koop as a regular writer as a coaching expert. Completely ignoring that his primary employer and mentor was one of the dirtiest coaches in the history of sport, a guy so unscrupulous that he severely and recklessly doped teenagers in his charge. That by helping Koop establish himself as a coaching expert in the sport they enrich Carmichael and help him reach his tentacles deeper into a sport which does little to no testing for dopers. Wake-up people. Carmichael is garbage, a known and proven dirt coach. Koop has been his right hand man for over a decade and his only mentor in coaching. Any success Koop has enriches the slimeball Carmichael. Imagine the outcry we would hear from Fraioli if Rosa's dirty network moved from Africa to the US and focused on ultra-running and used a likeable front man. Same thing is happening with CTS but Ultrarunning and Fraioli have their blinders on.

reed wrote:

armstrong was never coached by carmichael. that was just a business deal to raise carmichael's profile.

+1, Michele Ferrari was his coach.

Protip: If you add an extra "L" to his first name, you get an Italian porn star.

Carmichael claimed vehemently to be Armstrong's coach, even if more of a consultant in actuality, but Armstrong has stated many times that Koop was fully aware and onboard with his doping. But before and outside of Lance, Carmichael has a long history of doping and had long been considered a dirty coach. What was so sickening is that Carmichael built CTS on his claims of being Armstrong's coach and insisting on the close relationship only to completely deny it all when Lance got caught. Completely in character with the lack of integrity and morals that Carmichael has shown in his whole athletic and coaching career. The whole Armstrong debacle was just the icing in the cake. Carmichael was doping teens on his cycling team a decade before Lance was caught.

Double Standard wrote:

Carmichael claimed vehemently to be Armstrong's coach, even if more of a consultant in actuality, but Armstrong has stated many times that Koop was fully aware and onboard with his doping. But before and outside of Lance, Carmichael has a long history of doping and had long been considered a dirty coach. What was so sickening is that Carmichael built CTS on his claims of being Armstrong's coach and insisting on the close relationship only to completely deny it all when Lance got caught. Completely in character with the lack of integrity and morals that Carmichael has shown in his whole athletic and coaching career. The whole Armstrong debacle was just the icing in the cake. Carmichael was doping teens on his cycling team a decade before Lance was caught.

*Carmichael was fully aware

Double Standard wrote: Completely ignoring that his primary employer and mentor was one of the dirtiest coaches in the history of sport

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahaha.

He was dirty but there are/were hundreds of coaches as bad or worse in the history of sport. He wasn't even the mastermind in the main association that you bring up.

What is all this pearl clutching and anonymous crusading accomplishing? It's self-indulgent and impotent, everyone else is carrying on with their lives just the same. Carrying on these online antidoping campaigns is laughable, you might as well spend your time getting blackout drunk instead. It would achieve just as much change.