Samuel Tefera, Not Yomif Kejelcha, Gets Indoor 1500 WR - 3:31.04!!!

Deanouk wrote:

To be fair, there is a huge difference between running a 3:31 and a 3:36! Any runner should feel noticeably more tired running the former compared to the latter.

I do have suspicions about Jacob, based on how fast he is/was running at 17: and we know he is a legit 17 year old, but I'm more inclined to have an open mind regarding him due to the full history of his background and progression since an early age, and the knowledge that there is/has been far more OOC testing in Norway compared to Ethiopia.

Jacob's 3:31 was also run in Monaco, which tends to be 2 seconds faster than other tracks, for whatever reason!?

Finally some common sense enters the debate. I think everybody should be at least somewhat suspicious of the Ingebrigtsens, given Henrik was on the Fancy Bears list. But Jakob reportedly had a Vo2Max above 70 at age 13/14. At 14 he could do 3:48.37 for 1500m and 8:36.61 for 3k indoors (likely an off season time too).

The Monaco track is masterfully laid out for distance races, there is a gap in the stands on the first bend that lets in a light sea breeze down the back straight but is blocked out up the home straight. It is also a couple hours drive from St Moritz (even Font Romeu) so longer distance athletes can go straight from altitude to race in Monaco and the body thinks it is at 2000m. This is the Jim Ryun trick from 1967, twice he went to altitude mid season lifting his Vo2Max from 78.1 to 80.6 and twice he broke the WR. The Ingebrigtsens did this in 2018.

I’m really confused here. A world class 1500m runner sits behind a 5k runner for 1400m in a 1500 and then out kicks the 5k guy. Letsrun then loses it’s mind..? It would be more surprising for a 5k guy to blow the 1500 guy away in a 15. Especially a tall gangly 5k guy indoors. Farah was outkicked in his 3:28.9 by the 1500 guys who sat on him also. It’s a given conclusion.

Tefera ran 0.5s quicker than his old PB and he had a man to follow the entire way round. Talking about everyone’s idol Jakob, I wouldn’t be suprised to have seen him do the same thing.

Coevett keeps showing he knows very little about the elite sport with his maniac posts about El G only running 1:47 and now some nonsense about professional elite runners not bring stretchered off after WRs as some proof of doping.

Coe did a lap of honour after his 1:41. Amos went to hospital. Explain that.

Let's Think This One Through wrote:

spade detector wrote:

Not new to the sport. I can’t be for certain that anyone but myself isn’t doping, obviously. No one can. I’m just pointing out how terrible the “analysis” is of using the perceived fatigue of a runner at the end of a race to imply doping when there has been plenty of evidence that there is no correlation. Do you get it? It’s an embarrasing excuse for “evidence”.

Not it's not. More RBCs from either rEPO or blood transfusions equals more oxygenated blood getting to working muscles...nothing new there. Runners can go maxVO2 with less effort. That's why athletes who have chosen to dope like the hot sauce so much. I'm really surprised you don't understanding this - participate more in the doping threads. ?

Ah, I see - you’re not following me. I’m not mocking the belief of the effectiveness of rEPO or blood doping, I’m mocking the belief that an eye test for perceived exhaustion is being lauded as evidence of doping.

Cram's interview was like 10-15 minutes or even longer after the race and he had raced 3:29 weeks earlier and was in 1:42 shape.

Coevett wrote:

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

I know, I know.....He finished with a 53.2 last lap!! He smoked the WR, ran the fastest last lap of a mile WR and......looks very chill. Actually after an initial smile, he has the same bored expression that Tefera has!

And then we have the Coe video someone posted.

Coevett.....care to explain!

(Cram almost looks guilty about running so fast. Hmmm........I wonder why that might be)

I don't have to explain anything. For a start, the camera doesn't even pan on to Cram's face until 5 seconds after the end of the race, and when it does he is visibly drawing breath in (and looking knackered).

Cram looks absolutely controlled (also waving to the crowd) a few seconds after a much better performance than Tefera's, run well over 3 decades ago. Cram looks at least as fresh as Tefera

Anyone else glad that rekrunner and M!ndweak haven't chimed in on this thread?

Now, what to do about Coevett, just don't give him oxygen by replying to his half arsed posts?

It's true that Cram was not completely blasted by that 3:46.32 WR in the mile, but it's also true that he said that that race is one of his great regrets. He believes he had a lot more in the tank that night and could have brought the record down to 3:44-45. He even eased up at the finish, having destroyed Coe. At the time, like Coe in 1981, he probably felt that he was going to have plenty of future chances to bring the time down further. Shame that he never got a chance. No one ever thought Cram was anything but clean, which is why his opponents always congratulated him with zero rancor.

Coevett wrote:

BTW, compare Jakob after his 3:36 with Tefera not breathing at all as he crosses the line in 3:31. Jakob was still breathing hard whilst interviewed post race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmX4i6bW4E&t=275s

You make a good point. I breathed heavily after going up the local hill in my town.

It seems so strange to break a world record while the mouth is semi-closed.

rojo wrote:

You think a doper on EPO doesn't get his heart rate up or breathe hard? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

How do you explain Tefera's semi-closed mouth?

Is it possible that Tefera was closer to Guerrouj's outdoor 3:26 form and so didn't need to put as much effort to get the 3:31?

If Tefera had no media hype or expectations because all the attention was on Kejelcha, then is it possible that Tefera wasn't even thinking about the world record? He may not have known until after the race.

spade detector wrote:

Let's Think This One Through wrote:

Not it's not. More RBCs from either rEPO or blood transfusions equals more oxygenated blood getting to working muscles...nothing new there. Runners can go maxVO2 with less effort. That's why athletes who have chosen to dope like the hot sauce so much. I'm really surprised you don't understanding this - participate more in the doping threads. ?

Ah, I see - you’re not following me. I’m not mocking the belief of the effectiveness of rEPO or blood doping, I’m mocking the belief that an eye test for perceived exhaustion is being lauded as evidence of doping.

Well...then; if you're not "mocking the belief of the effectiveness of rEPO or blood doping" then you would understand the concept that an athlete can race @ VO2max with less effort than clean. So, let's take a look at another confirmed doping case with Ramzi @ Beijing who tested positive for high-potency 3rd gen CERA:

Is this ridiculous or what? Hardly breathing at all. Looks like it was a sub-max effort. Blows away a world-class field including Willis, who is no slouch. Holds off another doper at the line, Kiprop, who's hardly fatigued either. Lol.

As I said before, I'm not saying Tefera is doping because I really don't know (experts can look at his ABP data from the race and decide if there's anything suspicious). The point being is that scientifically 02-vector doping allows an endurance athlete to run at a faster pace with less effort and that can clearly be seen with confirmed cases with rEPO positives or ABP hematological anomalies sanctions.

Hes_Back_Baby wrote:

This “18 year old” isn’t even breathing hard after finishing.

I don't know about you, but I see Alan Webb breathing hard at the 4:16 mark of the video after his high school record.

You don't have to analyse Tefera's post-race recovery to have doubts about his performance. IAAF surveys put the preponderance of doping today as 1 in every 2 championship athletes. Most are therefore not caught by anti-doping. Add to that he is not even an athlete in his physical prime, as he is still a teenager, and comes from a country with serious doping issues. Yeah - nah. The sport remains as dodgy as ever.

YMMV wrote:

How did runners finish in the clean era?

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Thank you for the photos, your mileage may vary.

I find this fascinating. When I pushed myself, I distinctly remember breathing heavily and feeling tired.

The semi-closed mouth is bugging me.

facts and reason wrote:

Hes_Back_Baby wrote:

This “18 year old” isn’t even breathing hard after finishing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5jk3kyjji4&t=4m16s

I don't know about you, but I see Alan Webb breathing hard at the 4:16 mark of the video after his high school record.

@ 3:58 he looks just as gassed as Bannister in '54

YMMV wrote:

facts and reason wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5jk3kyjji4&t=4m16s

I don't know about you, but I see Alan Webb breathing hard at the 4:16 mark of the video after his high school record.

@ 3:58 he looks just as gassed as Bannister in '54

I don't know why, but I always love that part where Hicham El Guerrouj pulls on Webb's ear to get his attention.

Both obvious dopers ,

Times don't lie .

And unless time sped up or human

body has changed , very simple .

1.

The speed peptide and many non tested epo variants have not gone away.

It is a fix until they actually start to test for these variants and other androgens ,which they can ..

A full spectrum test of all such molecules that invoke said response

2.

Uncanny that compare Ethiopian s to Brits in 80's especially and 90's in others like javelin sprinting etc

As kings of doping without many ever getting caught as so well connected to latest PEDs .

Same goes for Ethiopia , unlike Kenya with Nike and manager influence .

Ethiopia is the Zionist influence

Afraid this is reality ,

that connects them to big pharma.

Like Brits the stars using latest untested PEDs ain't getting caught ,

Literally are the chosen ones

Powerful men decide who fortune seems to favour . a script of sorts.

3.

Exactly true for bekele and micera

how well connected to you have to be to get hands on it before even approved .

nowadays pharma so big might never hear of PEDs in use ever.

Cram was not clean nor are

the patriots just well connected.

If keep control of latest dope and

tests, narrative , patriots can come close every year .

The speed peptide does wonders

for older athletes or quarterback.

and Norwegian s doing same

aduck you're back! It's good to see your posts once again. The Kool-Aid drinkers are beginning to be a little too much here.

Curious: Anyone know what the payday will be for Tefera? I imagine he got an appearance fee plus some extra dough for winning the race? And what about setting the WR? A big bonus? Any sponsorship incentives tied into a WR? So, when it's all tallied up - what kind of payday is the youngster taking back to his village?