Dibaba shines in Sabadell- 3:59 (link)

Wonder if the coach that took her to a different country to train is banging that.

She's definitely clean.

She's as clean as the Brojos, Paula Radcliffe, Steve Cram and Seb Coe all combined.

I was only vaguely paying attention to pro news the past few years, so can someone please fill me in on the facts with Dibaba?

My understanding is she broke the RIDICULOUS Chinese 1500m record, running 3:50, which "normal" women uh... just don't do.

Then her coach Aden is busted in Spain with tons of EPO...

Then..nothing happens?

She has never approached the 3:50 POST EPO bust, correct?

Has Aden been banned from coaching? Were ANY of his athletes banned?

Were there ANY consequences??

no consequences?? wrote:

I was only vaguely paying attention to pro news the past few years, so can someone please fill me in on the facts with Dibaba?

My understanding is she broke the RIDICULOUS Chinese 1500m record, running 3:50, which "normal" women uh... just don't do.

Then her coach Aden is busted in Spain with tons of EPO...

Then..nothing happens?

She has never approached the 3:50 POST EPO bust, correct?

Has Aden been banned from coaching? Were ANY of his athletes banned?

Were there ANY consequences??

Yes, you summed it up and didn't miss anything.

They weren't banned because they didn't test positive, but their significantly slower times and mysterious injuries (Dibaba, Souleiman, etc) pretty much say it all.

an honest assessment wrote:

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

yep.

Were Farah, Jager, Keitany, Radcliffe, and Rupp's respective coaches caught storing mounds of EPO while their athletes were staying in the same hotel complex?

No. But they were all classed as 'likely doping" by the IAAF.

Plus, Farah was coached by Aden too, and by Salazar who coached testo-Decker, and experimented with testo on his sons.

Rupp, likely doing, plus suspicious testo spike while in marathon training, plus coached by, you know.

Jager, most likely doper of them all, 5 stars out of 3.

Radcliffe, twice increase in Hct by over 20% within 2 to 3 days, along with a decrease in ret% by over 20%, classic signs of a blood transfusion.

Keitany, broke Radcliffe's record, found to be likely doping (unlike Dibaba actually), also from a country with rudimentary OOC testing, especially in 2016 and earlier.

So, all different, but all highly suspect, and none banned.

casual obsever wrote:

an honest assessment wrote:

Were Farah, Jager, Keitany, Radcliffe, and Rupp's respective coaches caught storing mounds of EPO while their athletes were staying in the same hotel complex?

No. But they were all classed as 'likely doping" by the IAAF.

Plus, Farah was coached by Aden too, and by Salazar who coached testo-Decker, and experimented with testo on his sons.

Rupp, likely doing, plus suspicious testo spike while in marathon training, plus coached by, you know.

Jager, most likely doper of them all, 5 stars out of 3.

Radcliffe, twice increase in Hct by over 20% within 2 to 3 days, along with a decrease in ret% by over 20%, classic signs of a blood transfusion.

Keitany, broke Radcliffe's record, found to be likely doping (unlike Dibaba actually), also from a country with rudimentary OOC testing, especially in 2016 and earlier.

So, all different, but all highly suspect, and none banned.

Unlike Farah and Jäger, Keitany wasn’t found to be “likely doping” as you claim, but had one reading tagged “suspicious”. Minor difference that may require slight tweaks to your narrative. But do carry on, please.

no consequences?? wrote:

ignorant supposition

You and the others making such comments are ignorant fools.

Despite all the constant harassment, neither Dibaba nor Aden have ever been convicted of anything.

It's a big credit to both of them that they've continued their training.

When's the last time any of you have broken a world record, and then did it again a few years after that???

Huh??

Never???

Seriously, you must be on drugs and the drugs fried your brains.

logic at it's best wrote:

Yeah, 99% of the runners have much better PBs outdoor than indoor. The 1% which better indoor PBs clearly proof that indoor is faster "now" than outdoor. Makes sense.

The 1% with better indoor PB's are roughtly the same 1% who run a serious indoor season at all, like Rupp and Choge.

Countless elites casually show up to banked indoor tracks during their base phase and run within a couple seconds of, or better than, their at-peak best. It's way more than 1%. Centrowitz is a 3:50 miler both indoors and out. Merber, 2 seconds faster indoors. Alamirew 7:27 both ways. Will Leer, 3:51 out, 3:52 in. Willis 3:49.83 out, 3:51.06 in. They are not that near their peak form, and not trying as hard.

Once again, calculate the force needed to centripetally accelerate a 65kg runner on a 35m radius and it will start to make sense.

Why would she put out this type of effort at such an obscure meet? Albeit, I will always be skeptical of her off-the-chart performances, I don't think she is necessarily dirty anymore...she has tremendous talent and is under a microsope.

Actual facts. wrote:

no consequences?? wrote:

ignorant supposition

You and the others making such comments are ignorant fools.

Despite all the constant harassment, neither Dibaba nor Aden have ever been convicted of anything.

It's a big credit to both of them that they've continued their training.

When's the last time any of you have broken a world record, and then did it again a few years after that???

Huh??

Never???

Seriously, you must be on drugs and the drugs fried your brains.

"Despite all the constant harassment, neither Dibaba nor Aden have ever been convicted of anything."

Aden under surveillance seen taking different routes to dispose of needles, etc. Therapist for Aden's crew staying in a room reserved by and paid for by Aden found with 61 preloaded epo syringes and 3 different types of steroids. Aden persona non grata in all of Ethiopia (not allowed to enter he country). Yes, it's actions like this with zero repercussions that have made a mockery of the sport. Defense of this is nonsensical and actually offensive. And as stated, post Sabadell bust, Dibaba struggles to even run 1000m at her WR pace. After a struggle post Sabadell bust, I would bet a fair amount of money that Soulieman is back on the sauce.

Frank Robert O’ Rektum wrote:

Sucio wrote:

She was being coached by Jama Aden in Sabadell the season that she broke a doped of Chinese WR. Does that help with your quandary?

It's not a quandry, Suckio. Just a thought.

Now go suckio a cockio.

My comment was not meant as a negative to you. Rather, it was said with sarcasm to the group as a whole. Lighten up, tough guy. No need for angry name calling.

rojo wrote:

The most amazing thing to me is she's running 3:59 in a race with a waterfall start .

Great observation.

What were you expexting? From the blocks in lanes? Run on the straight with a 180° turn every 60m?

hmmm...Sabadell the place where her coach was caught with a vast amount of drugs.

D-O-D-G-Y

No WANDERS there are doubts about her performances.

El Keniano wrote:

Unlike Farah and Jäger, Keitany wasn’t found to be “likely doping” as you claim, but had one reading tagged “suspicious”.

Indeed! Thank you for pointing this out; I falsely concluded that from the list where she had 3 priority stars out of 3.

The other doc says

"Passport suspicious: further data is required"

So yes, less suspicious than Farah and the others.

Kiprop also had this strange combination of 3 stars and passport suspicious.

Why u so crazy? wrote:

Frank Robert O’ Rektum wrote:

Wonder if she’s clean?

Lol. She's about as clean as Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Bekele, and the Chinese women that held the top times in the 1500 before her.

You forgot to mention every American sprinter that has existed.

Why is she running in a dinky-ass meet with nobody in attendance.

dopers r us wrote:

Edgar Poe wrote:

Notice her "manager", the Spaniard Pineda, on the backstretch. I have no doubt that he is nothing more than a coaching proxy for Aden, who has gone underground. It's a dirty, dirty business, kids.

Juan Pedro Pineda has coached Sadik Mikhou and Matthew Kisorio.

Pineda also with the 2nd and 3rd place men at RAK yesterday.

Actual facts. wrote:

no consequences?? wrote:

ignorant supposition

You and the others making such comments are ignorant fools.

Despite all the constant harassment, neither Dibaba nor Aden have ever been convicted of anything.

It's a big credit to both of them that they've continued their training.

When's the last time any of you have broken a world record, and then did it again a few years after that???

Huh??

Never???

Seriously, you must be on drugs and the drugs fried your brains.

Hahahahahahahaahah ok, thanks Jama.

"It's a big credit they've continued their training"---ahahahahhahahahahahahahha

Truly brave!!!

Actually disgusting wrote:

more ignorant supposition

Despite your ignorant supposition, neither Dibaba nor Aden have ever been convicted of anything.

You and the others who make such comments are ignorant fools.