Two finishes at Western States (1 win where he set CR)
One finish at UTMB (5th overall)
I believe that's it as far as 100 milers.
64:00 minutes IS impressive. Given the fact that 99.999999% of the world can't do this, yeah, I'd say it's d*mn impressive.
Hell, I'd be willing to say that probably at least 97% of people posting on these boards can't run a 1:04 half.
okay I just watch the 5k, really, you only need to watch the last 1200, pretty impressive finish:
https://www.flotrack.org/events/5006294-2012-stanford-invitational/videos?limit=42&playing=5378080
rupp-certified saladbar, or shaken bravey syndrome? wrote:
Some people, like the fans that were interviewed with Jim Walmsley on a podcast recently, said that his YAWN 64:00 should be "impressive" because he is a long-run specialist: for example, he holds the course record at the "Western States" 100 mile race and also did this in an "off" event for him. They say it is amazing "range."
OK, let's look at this claim scientifically, by using math and equivalency tables.
13 miles is obviously about 13% of Walmsley's best distance, the 100-miler. So what would an elite marathoner have to do to be more "impressive" than Walmsley? Run a distance about 13% of THEIR specialty, in a more impressive time than his 64:00 half marathon.
For marathon specialists, what is their "off" event to look at? 5k is very very close to the same fraction. (5k is 11.8% of a marathon.)
And what is a comparable standard to a 64:00 half marathon? According to the DANIELS calculator, 13:57.
13:57 lolololol. Wow, do you think any elite marathoners can run 13:57? That would be such amazing range for a 2:01-2:04 runner to achieve that standard in an "off" event, that is just a small fraction of their best distance. NOT! Guess what? ANY MARATHONER WORTH MENTIONING COULD DO THIS.
So don't get excited that a distance runner comes down to a shorter event and runs SLOW. Of course they can run some so-so time in an "off" distance. Are we supposed to be impressed if David Rudisha ran 12.0? Whatever.
Distance and the corresponding time run are not linearly correlated.
Your perspective is off. We are talking about impressive at the national level which it is not. Of course as compared to the general population it is impressive. If Bolt showed up at a meet this summer and runs 10.0, we won’t be impressed. If a guy in your office shows up at an all comers meet and runs 10.0, it is impressive.
Though I've already said I don't think the 1:04 was impressive, even with the limited build up (and should be 1:02+/- if it were his focus), he obviously has much larger relative upside at the marathon than most of the Americans in front of him in that race.
Remember Ryan Hall's HMs in the later part of his career? In 2010, he ran 1:04:08 in January, then 2:08:41 at Boston, then 1:03:55 in September. In 2011, he went 1:02:20, 1:03:53, 2:04:58, 1:03:02, 2:08:04. I remember people thinking he was done before that aided 2:04.
this is what i was going to say. come on!
first time on the farm wrote:
okay I just watch the 5k, really, you only need to watch the last 1200, pretty impressive finish:
https://www.flotrack.org/events/5006294-2012-stanford-invitational/videos?limit=42&playing=5378080
.....9 Jared Ward BYU 13:59.51 10 Ryan Dohner Texas 13:59.91 11 Craig Lutz Texas 14:00.95 12 Martin Hehir Syracuse 14:01.60 13 Aric VanHalen Colorado 14:01.91 14
Confused liberal wrote:
I don’t understand. I am a liberal but my sense is that most people here are conservatives. Yet, the Klan was made up of southern democrats so this site is really dominated by anti Klan people.
Is it really the best you can do to keep repeating the same nonsense, when everyone knows it has nothing to do with today's parties? Are you really that intellectually bankrupt? (That's a rhetorical question. Now go look up the word rhetorical.)
What's is Jimmy 5k pr wrote:
According to his website, his college PBs are:
Mile: 4:04
5K: 13:52
10K: 29:08
3K Steeple: 8:41
Expect great things, I predict he'll go 2:08 in the marathon.
Is this a joke? As if all of America's 29 flat guys run anywhere closet to 2:08 let alone our 28 flat and 2730 guys.
well actually wrote:
I would be willing to bet $1000 that he doesn't finish top 10 in the trials.
He may or may not finish top 10. I mean Max King - Cornell alum and ultra runner - was 12th in 2016 and no one was obsessed with it like they are now with Walmsley. There are probably 50 guys who could finish top 10 at the trials, maybe more if they try to run for 10th instead of doing what the goal of the race is - finish top 3.
Walmsley and King are a good comparison as they both were NCAA steeplers. King ran 8:40 in college, Walmsley ran 841. Both are incredibly tough. King left Cornell the year before I got there but the stories were LEGENDARY. He once pinned a bib through his bare chest.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
I understand this is a troll post, but;
If walmsley’s 100 mile skill was on a flat road Courses I’d agree. But Western States has a crazy amount of elevation gain. Climbing in the mountains is a lot different than flat road running. I think that’s why it’s so impressive he went from the Western states CR to the half in such a short amount of time.
Its basically almost an entirely different sport.
I’m not an ultra fanboy. I rarely follow any of it. But I think Jim doing what he’s doing is pretty cool and I look forward to watching the trials.
The thread should have ended here. It's impressive for anyone to run 13.1 miles @ 4:53 pace. It's simply impressive for him to do it after crushing some ultra races, like his WS 100 CR. Like this poster said, WS isn't like running 100 miles on a track. It's cool to see him do this and adds a fun wrinkle to the Trials -- even if he becomes yet another 2:12-2:13 American. That would still be pretty cool. Nobody is claiming Jim is the next Kipchoge. Not one person is saying that. You can be happy for the guy & still understand how someone like Kipchoge is on another planet.
What's up with all of these defensive posts on various threads hating on the guy? Does he threaten your running in any way? Does it make you feel good to knock people? I'm impressed when anyone hits an OTQ. Impressed is all relative. I'm more impressed with a sub-60 but what Jim did is pretty cool.
Even Jim has said his 64 is not impressive by any means. Listen to his interviews.
Patrick Smythe ran quite well in 2016 marathon trials finishing 8th overall. He came from a trail / ultra training block(s) after transitioning from the roads / track. Lets say hypothetically Jim opts for the trials 26.2, anything can happen and the Houston course is certainly going to be more in his wheelhouse than a flat course like the Houston Half.
zzzz wrote:
Though I've already said I don't think the 1:04 was impressive, even with the limited build up (and should be 1:02+/- if it were his focus), he obviously has much larger relative upside at the marathon than most of the Americans in front of him in that race.
If this is the case, then he really should be focusing on the marathon. If he can be a top 3 American in the marathon, that's worth more than being the top ultramarathoner.
Anyone see his HR data on strava? I don't know much about HR training but that seems he didn't push to hard through the race. He said in the Citius pod that his plan was to hit his splits and make the standard. Seems like he took it easy to do so.
Z1 Endurance < 126 27s 1%
Z2 Moderate 126 - 157 34:26 54%
Z3 Tempo 157 - 173 29:11 46%
Z4 Threshold 173 - 189 0s 0%
Z5 Anaerobic > 189 0s 0%
ultramight wrote:
[quote]rupp-certified saladbar, or shaken bravey syndrome? wrote:
If David Rudisha qualified for the Olympic trials in the 100m and middle-distance fans said "hey, cool, one of our gang ran a decent sprint", would y'all start 20 threads on how much David Rudisha sucks?
The Olympic Trials standards for the 100 and the Marathon are not remotely close to the same level. I think a lot of this comes down to some people are really impressed with a 1:04 half marathon. That's fine, just realize, it's a long, long ways from being a world class time.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
I understand this is a troll post, but;
If walmsley’s 100 mile skill was on a flat road Courses I’d agree. But Western States has a crazy amount of elevation gain. Climbing in the mountains is a lot different than flat road running. I think that’s why it’s so impressive he went from the Western states CR to the half in such a short amount of time.
Its basically almost an entirely different sport.
I’m not an ultra fanboy. I rarely follow any of it. But I think Jim doing what he’s doing is pretty cool and I look forward to watching the trials.
I think you missed the point. If Walmsley is the worlds best Ultra runner he is a sub-elite half marathoner. Take Eliud Kipchoge who is the worlds best Marathoner, he is a former world champ and Olympic medalist in the 5K. The world class marathoners are cabaple of world class times all the way down to 5K and some even at the 1500 which is 4% of the marathon. Although 64:00 is solid it is nowhere near the world class level.
cotton shirt wrote:
and, for the record:
Abdelkader El Mouaziz (MAR) ran 2:06:46 but his 5km pr is 14:03.49
Oleksandr Kuzin (UKR) ran 2:07:33 and his 5km pr is 14:01.83
Yi-yong Kim (KOR) ran 2:07:49 and his 5km pr is 14:10.52
Hiroshi Miki (JPN) ran 2:08:05 and his 5km pr is 14:04.39
Yohannes Gergish (ERI) ran 2:08:14 and his 5km pr is 14:46.71
Hicham Laqouahi (MAR) ran 2:08:27 and his 5km pr is 14:00.72
Vanderlei Cordeiro da Lima (BRA) ran 2:08:31 and his 5km pr is 14:00.41
Yaroslav Mushinski (MDA) ran 2:08:32 and his 5km pr is 14:14.85
Abdi Ibrahim Abdo (BRN) ran 2:08:32 and his 5km pr is 14:29.84
Brian Sell (USA) ran 2:10:47 but his 5km pr is 14:00.10
cheers.
So you list exclusively 2:06 and slower marathoners to show that most (all really) 2:05 guys can run 13:57?
Your statement here shows you understand logic, and thus are a fascist and should be beaten with large sticks.
alot of speculation here about a guy who has never run a marathon. smyth and king and gray have even gone 1:02-1:03 i believes.
how many Americans do we have that run 1:04 and never come close to 2:12 or even 2:13?
we've seen Jim only run an IAAF cert road 100km for team USA (bombed), we've seen him run USA Cross (finished midpack), but other than that all the huge performances he has demonstrated have been domestic ultras or non sanctioned 'fastest known time' runs in the Grand Canyon.
did they dope test at Western States this year? I know they did the year Jim dropped out and they do at UTMB.