• call me papa
      • Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/11/2019 8:41PM
      • call me papa
      • So on my run today, I was thinking about Centro's switch to the Bowerman Track Club and suddenty I had a revelation. Does this move mean that Rupp might actually be clean?

        Rupp? Yes, I mant to type Rupp and not Centro.

        Hear me out.

        We all know that Jerry and Alberto do not get along mainly because Jerry thinks Alberto is shady as heck and wants no part of a doping program. I -like Jerry probably does - just assumed the group is dirty.

        But if the NOP group is dirty, why in the heck would Jerry accept Centro? He would either end up tarnishing Jerry with a positive test or if he got clean it would tarnish Jerry's image as Centro would be no good.

        So in my mind, Centro to the BTC definitely means that Jerry thinks Centro is clean.

        And if Centro is clean then does that mean the whole group is clean?

        That seems like a real possibility.

        What are the other alternatives. Could it be possible that only the innermost or key most members are dirty (Rupp/Farah) while other (Kara/Centro) are clean? That's something I've never understood.
    • Open your other eye
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/11/2019 9:47PM - in reply to call me papa
      • Open your other eye
      • Why would you ever suppose that BTC is entirely clean and that Jerry would turn away an athlete under investigation and subject to target testing? Add the factor that it means he sticks it to Alberto in the process. No love lost there.
        Elite track and field is a dirty pursuit. Don’t think any different.
    • Papasmurf
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/11/2019 10:33PM - in reply to call me papa
      • Papasmurf
      • He accepted centro to catch him and.prove that NOP is dirty
    • Sabadell tells no lies
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/11/2019 10:35PM - in reply to call me papa
      • Sabadell tells no lies
      • I don't think Salazar has ever intentionally done any illegal doping with Rupp. Gray area? Sure. Not illegal, however. I'd say that Farah likely went rogue in a pharmaceutical program as he started to work closer with Aden. The connection between Aden and drugs is undeniable. The connection between Aden and Farah is equally as unarguable. Draw your own conclusion.
    • Armstronglivs
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      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 7:14AM - in reply to Sabadell tells no lies
      • Armstronglivs
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      • You're assuming Centro is clean.
    • well actually
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 7:17AM - in reply to Sabadell tells no lies
      • well actually
      • Sabadell tells no lies wrote:

        I don't think Salazar has ever intentionally done any illegal doping with Rupp. Gray area? Sure. Not illegal, however. I'd say that Farah likely went rogue in a pharmaceutical program as he started to work closer with Aden. The connection between Aden and drugs is undeniable. The connection between Aden and Farah is equally as unarguable. Draw your own conclusion.

        It is pretty clear that he broke rules with l-carnitine and possibly Androgel.
    • Evan “Likely Doping” Jager
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 8:00AM - in reply to call me papa
      • Evan “Likely Doping” Jager
      • Jager’s more likely to be doping than Rupp is. Why do you think BTC is clean?
    • smontrop
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 8:06AM - in reply to call me papa
      • smontrop
      • Or he will just monitor Centro’s test levels like he does with other athletes.
    • Actually no
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 8:19AM - in reply to well actually
      • Actually no
      • well actually wrote:

        Sabadell tells no lies wrote:

        I don't think Salazar has ever intentionally done any illegal doping with Rupp. Gray area? Sure. Not illegal, however. I'd say that Farah likely went rogue in a pharmaceutical program as he started to work closer with Aden. The connection between Aden and drugs is undeniable. The connection between Aden and Farah is equally as unarguable. Draw your own conclusion.

        It is pretty clear that he broke rules with l-carnitine and possibly Androgel.

        Please share your special evidence. The only thing that’s clear is your bias.
    • Sick of BTC pass
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 9:06AM - in reply to Actually no
      • Sick of BTC pass
      • Don’t believe this contrived narrative that Alberto is the devil and Jerry an angel. Jerry is as cut throat as Alberto just has some social cues enough to be unbelievably fake in public. The only world relevant runner (Jager) of BTC was on that Russian leak of probable PED users.
    • casual obsever
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      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 10:03AM - in reply to Sick of BTC pass
      • casual obsever
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      • Sick of BTC pass wrote:

        Don’t believe this contrived narrative that Alberto is the devil and Jerry an angel. Jerry is as cut throat as Alberto just has some social cues enough to be unbelievably fake in public. The only world relevant runner (Jager) of BTC was on that Russian leak of probable PED users.
        +1

        Jager wasn't just on there, he was ranked as the most suspicious likely doper of them all, whereas Rupp was just a normal likely doper.
    • Drunk Letsrun
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 10:24AM - in reply to call me papa
      • Drunk Letsrun
      • Assumptions built on top of other assumptions. Yep, that's typical Letsrun logic.
    • No. No it doesn't. Not at all.
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 10:42AM - in reply to Drunk Letsrun
      • No. No it doesn't. Not at all.
      • My question is this: what the hell is Salazar doing that is so awful to get Centro to leave the program that made him the gold medalist in the last Olympics? Similarly, what the hell did Salazar do that was so awful that it got Farah to leave the program that took him from relative no name to most dominant distance runner in a decade. People don't leave programs that give them massive success with a good reason.
    • Easy.
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 12:32PM - in reply to No. No it doesn't. Not at all.
      • Easy.
      • The answer should be obvious: their marketability for Nike as part of their Oregon Project had peaked. Nike is the ultimate turn and burn sponsor, moving you to a less green pasture if not off their ranch entirely.
    • You Cannot Be Serious.
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 12:33PM - in reply to call me papa
      • You Cannot Be Serious.
      • You think about this waaaayyyy too much.
    • actually yes
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 1:10PM - in reply to Actually no
      • actually yes
      • Actually no wrote:

        well actually wrote:

        Sabadell tells no lies wrote:

        I don't think Salazar has ever intentionally done any illegal doping with Rupp. Gray area? Sure. Not illegal, however. I'd say that Farah likely went rogue in a pharmaceutical program as he started to work closer with Aden. The connection between Aden and drugs is undeniable. The connection between Aden and Farah is equally as unarguable. Draw your own conclusion.

        It is pretty clear that he broke rules with l-carnitine and possibly Androgel.

        Please share your special evidence. The only thing that’s clear is your bias.

        https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5065588-nyt-report-on-oregon-project-and-salazar-adds-details-about-l-carnitine-use
    • Slripe100
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 1:21PM - in reply to Drunk Letsrun
      • Slripe100
      • Fact: since his earliest days in college centro has been consulting Salazar about grey area PEDs

        Fact 2: centro has relocated several times in the recent past and has now ended up right back in a Portland based training group where suspicions of PED use are already prevelant.

        Fact 3: centro, his father, and Salazar are very close.

        Centro can end up being coached by mother teressa, doesn't change the fact that he did cheat, will cheat and continues to rub elbows with cheaters.

        One thing I do agree with, he does look good in red, compliments his steroid acne quite nicely
    • coachcommentsnicely
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      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 1:44PM - in reply to actually yes
      • coachcommentsnicely
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      • L-carnitine isn't a banned substance.
        The androgel story isn't believable.
    • Les
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      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 1:50PM - in reply to call me papa
      • Les
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      • No. Did you not read the New York Times article? Ritz pretty much admits NOP was doing gray zone doping. And no, BTC is not necessarily clean either. Do you not remember the leaked USADA report named Jager as "likely doping"? Athletes have short careers. Every year is important, particularly when you're closer to the end of your career like Centro is. He had a disastrous 2017 when he failed to get out of the first round of the World Championships and looked bad going it. 2018 was not much better. Salazar and then Salazar/Matt Senior were his coaches those years. It wasn't working anymore. He needed a change. As a Nike athlete he didn't have many places he could jump.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/sports/nike-oregon-project-alberto-salazar-dathan-ritzenhein.html
    • the wrong group
      • RE: Serious question - Does Centro switching to BTC mean that Alberto Salazar, Galen Rupp and the NOP might actually be clean? 1/12/2019 2:33PM - in reply to Evan “Likely Doping” Jager
      • the wrong group
      • Evan “Likely Doping” Jager wrote:

        Jager’s more likely to be doping than Rupp is. Why do you think BTC is clean?

        I personally think Jerry's group is more likely to be dirty.