Makhloufi secret ban is up?

Let's be fair about this wrote:

It walks like a duck wrote:

Anyone know why he disappeared for 2+ years?

Imagine if an American runner got the silver in both the 8/15 in the Olympics, then just went off the grid with no explanation.

Take into consideration that he is a former Jama Aden pupil.

Did he go on a religious mission or maybe something like that?

Strangely, he did pretty close to the same thing after his dominating win in London 2012. Makes total sense, right?

However, can you get toxoplasmosis from a contaminated transfusion?

The other thing is if blood doping was not banned in the 80s, why wouldn't most endurance athletes be doing it if they have the resources? It would basically be a "freeb" in the world of performance enhancing, and I would think most athletes would be worried about their competition blood doping and putting one up on them if they didn't blood dope either (i.e. level the playing field)

In Iran, "prevalence of toxoplasmosis was reported as 23.6% in blood products. In this regard, following notes should be considered.

... Seroprevalence rates for Toxoplasma gondii in the general population vary worldwide and increased by age. Approximately 25% to 30% of the world populations are infected and more than 80% of primary infections are subclinical. The higher prevalence is observed in tropical areas (1). Seroprevalence rates in Iran estimated in range from 18% to 70% (2)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4345102/

"Conclusions These findings indicate that a history of blood transfusion is a risk factor for T. gondii infection."

Association between Toxoplasma gondii infection and history of blood transfusion: a case-control seroprevalence study.

Alvarado-Esquivel C1, Sánchez-Anguiano LF2, Hernández-Tinoco J2, Ramos-Nevarez A3, Estrada-Martínez S2, Cerrillo-Soto SM3, Medina-Heredia GE4, Guido-Arreola CA3, Soto-Quintero AA4, Beristain-Garcia I4.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29490516

"Toxoplasmosis is an infection caused by a single-celled parasite called Toxoplasma gondii. While the parasite is found throughout the world, more than 40 million people in the United States may be infected with the Toxoplasma parasite. The Toxoplasma parasite can persist for long periods of time in the bodies of humans (and other animals), possibly even for a lifetime. Of those who are infected however, very few have symptoms because a healthy person’s immune system usually keeps the parasite from causing illness. However, pregnant women and individuals who have compromised immune systems should be cautious; for them, a Toxoplasma infection could cause serious health problems.

A Toxoplasma infection occurs by one of the following:

Eating undercooked, contaminated meat (especially pork, lamb, and venison) or shellfish (for example, oysters, clams or mussels).

Accidental ingestion of undercooked, contaminated meat or shellfish after handling them and not washing hands thoroughly (Toxoplasma cannot be absorbed through intact skin).

Eating food that was contaminated by knives, utensils, cutting boards and other foods that have had contact with raw, contaminated meat or shellfish.

Drinking water contaminated with Toxoplasma gondii.

Accidentally swallowing the parasite through contact with cat feces that contain Toxoplasma. This might happen by

Cleaning a cat’s litter box when the cat has shed Toxoplasma in its feces;

Touching or ingesting anything that has come into contact with cat feces that contain Toxoplasma; or

Accidentally ingesting contaminated soil (e.g., not washing hands after gardening or eating unwashed fruits or vegetables from a garden).

Mother-to-child (congenital) transmission.

Receiving an infected organ transplant or infected blood via transfusion, though this is rare."

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxoplasmosis/gen_info/faqs.html

Blood doping- i.e. autotransfusion- is done using one's OWN BLOOD. You don't transfuse other people's blood for doping purposes. TG is transmitted through contaminated poorly cooked meat or water. Cats typically carry the oocysts of this parasite, and is passed through their $hit. It's all over France. So, unless Coe had blood transfused from someone with TG, this is not how he got it. Were Coe to have blood doped (and given the meticulous preparation and almost paranoid attention to his health over the years), I highly doubt that he and his father would have stored his blood at some dirty hospital or clinic where his blood could have been mixed up with someone else's.

...and yes: a blood transfusion of SOMEONE ELSE'S blood is a risk factor for contracting TG- NOT transfusion of a person's own blood.

A mix up could've happened with the blood.

Infectious Disease wrote:

Blood doping- i.e. autotransfusion- is done using one's OWN BLOOD. You don't transfuse other people's blood for doping purposes. TG is transmitted through contaminated poorly cooked meat or water. Cats typically carry the oocysts of this parasite, and is passed through their $hit. It's all over France. So, unless Coe had blood transfused from someone with TG, this is not how he got it. Were Coe to have blood doped (and given the meticulous preparation and almost paranoid attention to his health over the years), I highly doubt that he and his father would have stored his blood at some dirty hospital or clinic where his blood could have been mixed up with someone else's.

That's not true - homologous blood transfusions have been used before by athletes. One high-profile case involves Vuelta Espana winner & Olympic gold medalist Alexander Vinokourov, who was busted for homologous blood doping back in 2005. Prior to 2004, WADA had no capability of detecting it.

The advantage of homologous over autologous blood transfusions would be no down time feeling anemic while recovering from the withdrawal phase when your Hgb is suppressed and your retics go into overdrive to build back up the loss of RBCs.

Extremely, EXTREMELY rare. I'd prefer not to explain why I know this.

Gstaad wrote:

Lets Tell It Like It Is wrote:

That's not true - homologous blood transfusions have been used before by athletes. One high-profile case involves Vuelta Espana winner & Olympic gold medalist Alexander Vinokourov, who was busted for homologous blood doping back in 2005. Prior to 2004, WADA had no capability of detecting it.

The advantage of homologous over autologous blood transfusions would be no down time feeling anemic while recovering from the withdrawal phase when your Hgb is suppressed and your retics go into overdrive to build back up the loss of RBCs.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-positive-for-transfusion-astana-quits-tour/

Extremely, EXTREMELY rare. I'd prefer not to explain why I know this.

Well...jeez, that's one hell of a comment. If you've got some scoop then lay it on the line otherwise will bother posting?

Lets Tell It Like It Is wrote:

That's not true - homologous blood transfusions have been used before by athletes. One high-profile case involves Vuelta Espana winner & Olympic gold medalist Alexander Vinokourov, who was busted for homologous blood doping back in 2005. Prior to 2004, WADA had no capability of detecting it.

The advantage of homologous over autologous blood transfusions would be no down time feeling anemic while recovering from the withdrawal phase when your Hgb is suppressed and your retics go into overdrive to build back up the loss of RBCs.

+1

People here routinely make up stuff to "protect" their heroes.

Specifically the 1500 has been historically the worst when it comes to blood doping, see e.g. the Sunday Times review from 1500.

So to single out dominating stars like Coe and Makh, to then claim they were clean, is ridiculo.

Infectious Disease wrote:

Blood doping- i.e. autotransfusion- is done using one's OWN BLOOD. You don't transfuse other people's blood for doping purposes. TG is transmitted through contaminated poorly cooked meat or water. Cats typically carry the oocysts of this parasite, and is passed through their $hit. It's all over France. So, unless Coe had blood transfused from someone with TG, this is not how he got it. Were Coe to have blood doped (and given the meticulous preparation and almost paranoid attention to his health over the years), I highly doubt that he and his father would have stored his blood at some dirty hospital or clinic where his blood could have been mixed up with someone else's.

+1.

Almost all cases of blood transfusions in sport at that time were autologous; using one’s own blood. Anyone with half a brain wishing to indulge in blood transfusions is going to do a bit of research on the prevalence of cross contamination if using a doner’s blood. The possibility of hepatitis or hiv would put any sane person off the idea.

And if Coe had been blood doping using someone else’s blood, then why did it take him and his father a whole season to work out what was wrong with him?

Coe didn’t need to divulge what was wrong with him. He could have said he had another bout of glandular fever, rather than admit to a condition that might in some tenuous way be linked to the possibility of blood doping.

Eating undercooked meat is by far the most likely cause of anyone contacting TG, so to think otherwise for Coe just because he was an athlete is nonsensical.

Blood mix ups never happen. ;-)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/05/usa.cycling

Oops my bad wrote:

Infectious Disease wrote:

...and yes: a blood transfusion of SOMEONE ELSE'S blood is a risk factor for contracting TG- NOT transfusion of a person's own blood.

A mix up could've happened with the blood.