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You are so lost and confused. According to the charts in the MIT study I cited, the number of illegal immigrants has very slightly decreased since around 2008. The study says that the # of illegal immigrants has ALWAYS been underestimated.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201193

I don't think any Trump voters actually thought or expected Trump could build the wall and deport 20 million immigrants. And for what it's worth, he did try really hard - it's just that the president has limited power.

The issue is that Biden and Harris want to give free healthcare to all illegal immigrants. That will be seen as an open invite and we'll get flooded. Biden said he wouldn't deport any illegal immigrants, not even felons.

I'd rather vote for someone who sees the issue and tries to fix it (even if he comes up short), as opposed to someone who purposely makes the problem way worse just to pander for the latino vote.

I love the "even as a Trump supporter, I don't actually believe the stuff he says" defense.

Your source (thehill.com) says:

Most immigration researchers have reported a plateau in growth of that population since 2007, spurred mainly by the decrease in Mexican illegal immigration to the United States.

The reduction in illegal crossings by Mexican citizens coincided with an increase in illegal immigration from Central America and Asia. But the overall undocumented population has leveled off, and possibly slightly decreased.

Seems that the changes in the numbers of illegal immigrants have been seen since 2007, and you haven't provided any evidence that Trump's policies have had been successful even a little bit in curbing illegal immigration. After 3.5 years of Trump, we still have 20 million illegal immigrants in the country (by your count). We're pretty far from the "I'm going to send them all home" boast that got him elected.

I guess you give Trump a trophy for effort, even if his effort has been a failure. And you will reward him with 4 more years where he fails to deliver on his promise to "send them all home". Meanwhile, he's taking money away from (I think "defunding" is the current term) DHS to build his $30 million/mile wall, that at this rate will be done 200 years from now.

Provide us all with quotes from Biden to back up what you said re: immigration, I believe you're making that stuff up.

This has been fact checked is false. Here's some advice, don't believe everything your read on Facebook, or any contention that is based on a Facebook post.

"There is no evidence showing Biden saying that U.S. taxpayers have an obligation to provide health care for undocumented immigrants, beyond the emergency treatment they are already eligible for under federal law. His proposals for dealing with the issue involve allowing access to a public option, which, under his plan, is not taxpayer subsidized. The evidence addresses what he, or his team, have stated, not with the feasibility of such a plan."

This appears to be a false statement as well. The closest that I found is that Biden has said he'll put a 100 day moratorium on deportations, but nothing indicating that he would permanently halt all deportations. If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it. Otherwise, we'll all just assume that you are making stuff up.

Wow I didn't think you would question my statements and demand proof. You definitely caught me off guard. I wasn't ready for that.

But, once again, I deliver in epic fashion!

PROOF of Biden giving free healthcare to all illegal immigrants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY

PROOF Biden won't deport:

https://youtu.be/2z613_M5gxE?t=4358

In fact, looking at the proof it's even worse than I initially said. He wants to give amnesty to 100% of illegal immigrants.

NJ fan wrote:

Wow I didn't think you would question my statements and demand proof. You definitely caught me off guard. I wasn't ready for that.

But, once again, I deliver in epic fashion!

PROOF of Biden giving free healthcare to all illegal immigrants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY

PROOF Biden won't deport:

https://youtu.be/2z613_M5gxE?t=4358

In fact, looking at the proof it's even worse than I initially said. He wants to give amnesty to 100% of illegal immigrants.

Too late. Fact check says you're full of it. See above.

Did you mean to type "epic fail" instead of "epic fashion"?

The reason illegals come to the USA is because people like Trump employ them.

Big business makes a lot of money off their cheap labor and then pretend they want to end illegal immigration to win votes from the gullible like NJ fan.

A phony wrote:

https://time.com/5039109/donald-trump-undocumented-polish-trump-tower-bonwit-teller/https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers

The reason illegals come to the USA is because people like Trump employ them.

Big business makes a lot of money off their cheap labor and then pretend they want to end illegal immigration to win votes from the gullible like NJ fan.

NJ fan seems young and a bit delusional however Trump's use of illegal immigrants really isn't that big of a deal because he tends to use those originating in Europe instead of Latino countries. Illegal immigration from Latino countries such as Mexico is what really concerns the M.AGA's.

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johnny99 wrote:

Too late. Fact check says you're full of it. See above.

Did you mean to type "epic fail" instead of "epic fashion"?

You posted a fake news fact check. I posted Biden's own quotes. Your fact check even mentions another one:

Reporter: "Do you think undocumented immigrants who were in this country and are law abiding should be entitled to federal benefits for Medicare, Medicaid, for example."

Biden: "I think that anyone who is in a situation where they are in need of health care regardless of whether they are documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see to that they're cared for."

We should take Biden at his word.

I noticed you didn't even have a response to the proof I had of Biden not deporting anyone.

NJ fan wrote:

There are over 20 million illegal immigrants in this country.............

If you don't want illegal immigrants, then just impose very heavy fines and long jail sentences for anyone who hires illegal immigrants. As long as the penalties are severe enough, it won't be worth the risk. They will lose their jobs and so have to leave the country.

Trump would probably be blocked from doing this, but he could at least state his intention to do so. But he - and other Republicans - don't actually want to stop immigration. They understand that they benefit from cheap labor. Talking tough on immigration is popular without helping to achieve the stated aim of reducing numbers.

Yeah I get it Trump's a hypocrite like every other politician. But everything he's said and done since announcing his candidacy has been ANTI illegal immigrant - and that's good.

There is crazy high unemployment right now. Those 20 million illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from AMERICAN workers and are undercutting their pay. We need to put AMERICANS FIRST.

NJ fan wrote:

johnny99 wrote:

Too late. Fact check says you're full of it. See above.

Did you mean to type "epic fail" instead of "epic fashion"?

You posted a fake news fact check. I posted Biden's own quotes. Your fact check even mentions another one:

Reporter: "Do you think undocumented immigrants who were in this country and are law abiding should be entitled to federal benefits for Medicare, Medicaid, for example."

Biden: "I think that anyone who is in a situation where they are in need of health care regardless of whether they are documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see to that they're cared for."

We should take Biden at his word.

....and you should re-read the response you were given and then re-read Biden's answer to the question. He did not respond the way you apparently think he did.

NJ fan wrote:

Yeah I get it Trump's a hypocrite like every other politician. But everything he's said and done since announcing his candidacy has been ANTI illegal immigrant - and that's good.

There is crazy high unemployment right now. Those 20 million illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from AMERICAN workers and are undercutting their pay. We need to put AMERICANS FIRST.

Why not just make it illegal to employ them? Then they have to go home. Problem solved.

How would building a wall going to deal with the ones who already here?

NJ fan wrote:

The wall still needs to be built. This gives us more incentive to vote TRUMP in 2020. He's the only one with the balls to do it.

Be a proper patriot, he failed us horribly. A broken promise and a bunch of grifters in his family and administration.

Give old fashioned conservatism a try instead of a New York reality TV personality in bed with the Kushners.

brite bart wrote:

A phony wrote:

https://time.com/5039109/donald-trump-undocumented-polish-trump-tower-bonwit-teller/https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers

The reason illegals come to the USA is because people like Trump employ them.

Big business makes a lot of money off their cheap labor and then pretend they want to end illegal immigration to win votes from the gullible like NJ fan.

NJ fan seems young and a bit delusional however Trump's use of illegal immigrants really isn't that big of a deal because he tends to use those originating in Europe instead of Latino countries. Illegal immigration from Latino countries such as Mexico is what really concerns the M.AGA's.

Not exactly. He’s happily hired plenty of Hispanic illegal immigrants.

Dim Tillon wrote:

NJ fan wrote:

Yeah I get it Trump's a hypocrite like every other politician. But everything he's said and done since announcing his candidacy has been ANTI illegal immigrant - and that's good.

There is crazy high unemployment right now. Those 20 million illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from AMERICAN workers and are undercutting their pay. We need to put AMERICANS FIRST.

Why not just make it illegal to employ them? Then they have to go home. Problem solved.

How would building a wall going to deal with the ones who already here?

There is an easy solution that no “conservative” politician ever proposes.

Make E-Verify mandatory for all employers. It’s simple, others countries do it. But of course that would eliminate cheap labor in agriculture, food plants, construction and so on, often in horrible climates. Their labor is cheap and Americans won’t do the work. Intelligent GOP representatives get this, it’s the idiots who believe their sound bytes about being hard on illegal immigration who don’t. It’s a charade.

A phony wrote:

Dim Tillon wrote:

Why not just make it illegal to employ them? Then they have to go home. Problem solved.

How would building a wall going to deal with the ones who already here?

There is an easy solution that no “conservative” politician ever proposes.

Make E-Verify mandatory for all employers. It’s simple, others countries do it. But of course that would eliminate cheap labor in agriculture, food plants, construction and so on, often in horrible climates. Their labor is cheap and Americans won’t do the work. Intelligent GOP representatives get this, it’s the idiots who believe their sound bytes about being hard on illegal immigration who don’t. It’s a charade.

Also, the DOJ should prosecute employers that knowingly hire illegals. A handful of wealthy white men get sent to "pound me in the..." prison instead of a hand slap and a $10,000 fine, and you will see shady hiring practices cleaned up vey quickly.

Dim Tillon wrote:

NJ fan wrote:

There are over 20 million illegal immigrants in this country.............

If you don't want illegal immigrants, then just impose very heavy fines and long jail sentences for anyone who hires illegal immigrants. As long as the penalties are severe enough, it won't be worth the risk. They will lose their jobs and so have to leave the country.

Trump would probably be blocked from doing this, but he could at least state his intention to do so. But he - and other Republicans - don't actually want to stop immigration. They understand that they benefit from cheap labor. Talking tough on immigration is popular without helping to achieve the stated aim of reducing numbers.

That whole congress is the branch that makes laws thing might be a problem for him.