2019 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Slightly On Topic wrote:

Tasteful. My mother is dead, but I could just ask three of your former distance runners. Three.... during the same time period.

Someone’s gotta lie in order to dodge a funny comeback. Your mom ain’t dead you just saying that... piss off

Shut up wrote:

Slightly On Topic wrote:

Tasteful. My mother is dead, but I could just ask three of your former distance runners. Three.... during the same time period.

Someone’s gotta lie in order to dodge a funny comeback. Your mom ain’t dead you just saying that... piss off

Imagine getting triggered on LetsRun by someone anonymously trolling Kevin Hadsell.

To bring this thread back to topic. I just want everybody to know that when Stanford hires their Throws coach it will Be the cherry on top for hiring this season. Absolutely insane.

Nah, time to close this threat off as there is so much stupid BS it isn't worth following. Hey, Stanford has a coach. End of the season for this thread. Move on and stick your sarcasm somewhere else.....

School begins soon, football is already drumming up great publicity and XC news is dead in the water.

Word is UCSB has their guy. And no it’s not Darius Terry.

Please. Stanford throws is guaranteed to be the representative hire of the year. A female with no coaching experience will get Stanford as their first coaching gig. It is indeed the cherry on top of a bad hiring season.

The problem here was originated in the wording. Coaching the distance isn't "easy". The better word would have been simpler(relatively speaking). Coaching sprints, jumps, throws, pole vault, hurdles etc isn't "harder", there's just more technical details involved. So you could say that it's more complex relative to distance running.

Every event group coach has to write out workouts. Every event group coach has to plan those workouts for the season. Every event group coach has to monitor intensities and volume. The difference between event groups comes down to the amount of technical work necessary to tie together everything else.

Distance runners aren't immune to needing technical work and mechanically cues. They absolutely need to be efficient, no different than any other event group. They simply don't need as much as a hurdler or triple jumper for example. An improvement in mechanics for a sprinter could mean a 3% difference in time. For a guy running 10.9, that means he's now running 10.6.

Sorry for going off topic.

Could a pole vault coach, coach distance easier than a distance coach could coach like vault? Distance training can literally be gotten out of a book and given out and you will see some sort of success. And don’t give me this distance coaches coach every energy system. If that’s the case there wouldn’t be so many shitty 800m programs.

This is 90% true, some experience but nothing warranting the opportunity. Speaking to other females I’m told male coaches do this for self preservation. Hire somebody who isn’t qualified, show admin there isn’t anybody to hire, head coach ensures to show admin that coaches ineptitude and also makes themselves look more qualified. Up and down the board I can’t see any other reason these women get hired. There are good female coaches in each event, and many who deserve high quality and high paying jobs. But, similar to the male hires, very few actually are warenting their hiring and being chosen due to weakness rather than strength.

Technical work for mid distance and distance runners is internal(physiological) where as the technical aspects of throwers and jumpers is external(mechanical).

So it’s hard for sprints, jumps, throws coaches to really appreciate what a great distance coach does. Yes theirs many that play the guessing game or take from other coaches, books, etc. but sprint coaches do the same thing. A great distance coach can turn a dud into a stud using technical physiological knowledge to create stimulus that improves a runners efficient and energy systems threshold/output. To take a runner that has run 2:00 800m in high school and turn him Into a 1:49 runner that doesn’t happen by mistake. Please have more respect for the great distance coaches that know the physiological aspects and can individualize their methods per athlete

You don’t think field eventers/tech events do not have a psychological aspect equal to if not greater than distance? Please... again a distance program can be successful if grabbed out of a book more so than any the tech events.

And with the Stanford positions. It would be fun to see who did not get an interview that did apply for all positions. JJ does seem like a head that doesn’t want assistants that can outshine him.

Moraning wrote:

You don’t think field eventers/tech events do not have a psychological aspect equal to if not greater than distance? Please... again a distance program can be successful if grabbed out of a book more so than any the tech events.

And with the Stanford positions. It would be fun to see who did not get an interview that did apply for all positions. JJ does seem like a head that doesn’t want assistants that can outshine him.

He said physiological not psychological. But based on your reading level I bet you don't even know what physiological means.

Technical work is part of what makes coaching the sprints/jumps/throws so easy. The form is same for all of them. All jav throwers are going to train the same at that school, same with all high jumpers, etc.

For distance coaches, you can have 2 people that race the 1500 that train completely differently. One might be more mileage based, the other might be coming from the speed end of the spectrum.

Distance coaches also have to deal with one thing that other coaches do not - TACTICS. You need to run a fast time to qualify for NCAA's but once you get into the NCAA meet you need to be able to kick really hard. It's completely different. Distance coaches have to scout their opponents to learn their strengths and weaknesses.

Sprint and throws coaches in this topic are clearly just jealous and bitter because most head coaches (rightfully) are distance coaches.

I beg to differ. What makes it difficult is being able to slow it down as you are watching it. There’s a relative, “pace of the game” for all sports. Those that are experienced have the ability to see something seemingly slower in real time than novice. You see this in all sports. It’s similar to why a MLB batter can see the threads of a baseball and the spin within a fraction of a second.

Throws coaches, particularly the really great ones, see the throws differently than you or I. That’s in practice and in competition.

Like I said, you should respect all event area coaches because no event is easy. If it was so easy, everyone would be an expert.

~Throwing some love to the guys that like cake!

Stanford throws hire. What’s her name?

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

I beg to differ. What makes it difficult is being able to slow it down as you are watching it. There’s a relative, “pace of the game” for all sports. Those that are experienced have the ability to see something seemingly slower in real time than novice. You see this in all sports. It’s similar to why a MLB batter can see the threads of a baseball and the spin within a fraction of a second.

Throws coaches, particularly the really great ones, see the throws differently than you or I. That’s in practice and in competition.

Like I said, you should respect all event area coaches because no event is easy. If it was so easy, everyone would be an expert.

~Throwing some love to the guys that like cake!

Just because YOU can't see it doesn't make it hard. I can see plenty of things in the throws. Either way, a throws coach watching a distance runner will not be able to see many things that a distance coach can see. It's all relative.

Think of a distance coach with a 3k steeplechaser. In XC, he has to train that guy for 8k/10k. He also has to train his women for a different distance - a 6k. Immediately after that he has to start training that guy for the mile for the DMR indoors. Then right after that he has to prepare him for a 3k steeplechase and correct his hurdling form and water-jump technique. Then a couple weeks after that, it's time to prepare training for 8k/10k again. All without causing injury or burning the runner out. 3 peaks 8 months, each for a different distance. Throws coaches and sprint coaches could not even fathom that, they struggle enough with just 2 peaks.

YepyupYep wrote:

Could a pole vault coach, coach distance easier than a distance coach could coach like vault? Distance training can literally be gotten out of a book and given out and you will see some sort of success. And don’t give me this distance coaches coach every energy system. If that’s the case there wouldn’t be so many shitty 800m programs.

You spend a lot of time coaching the mentality for a distance runner, you can't get away with the same lifestyle in distance running as you can in some shorter events where power is king. I'd say there are a lot more factors than typical for distance athletes.

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YepyupYep wrote:

Could a pole vault coach, coach distance easier than a distance coach could coach like vault? Distance training can literally be gotten out of a book and given out and you will see some sort of success. And don’t give me this distance coaches coach every energy system. If that’s the case there wouldn’t be so many shitty 800m programs.

You spend a lot of time coaching the mentality for a distance runner, you can't get away with the same lifestyle in distance running as you can in some shorter events where power is king. I'd say there are a lot more factors than typical for distance athletes.

I think if any of you think a particular event group is easy, then you don't know very much about it. Every event has unique aspects that make it difficult to coach. Can we please more on to coaching rumors now? If Terry isn't hired at UCSB then who is? Seems kind of weird they'd keep him as interim so long just to not keep him. Is he headed to Northridge? Hard to keep up on this California carousel.

The northwestern state distance hire is a terrible hire, but you have to think deeper. She will be the assistant sprints coach helping with women’s sprints while having the label as “distance coach” they had to hire a cross country coach but she will not put much energy in that area. They are doing well with sprints and so the hire makes perfect sense!