3000m race at the Olympics - Who would have won?

Coevett wrote:

Ovett was clearly suffering from the heat again in the 87 WC. He beat just about everybody over 5000m that season except Aouita.

Ovett was the 24th fastest in '87.

He has not beaten the Nrs.

(1) Aouita

(2) Buckner

(3) Gonzalez

(6) Barrios

(7) Baccouche

(8) Thibault

(10) Gregorek

(13) Staines

(14) Coghlan

(15) P. Koech

(17) Anton

(18) Stephan

(19) Padilla

(20) Campos

(22) Bickford

(31) Deleze

(33) Rousseau

(48) Ignatov

For Coedeppe this is "just about everybody". (yes, he has not raced all, but this was not the point)

This unbelievable character since two years is destroying almost every thread he appears. To support his beloved idols Coe, Cram and especially Ovett he doesn't hesitate to sprout an enormous amount of lies, to call everybody stupid who tries to doubt his nonsense a little bit. I could list dozens of pure lies of this stranger (and I have virtually stopped reading his stupidities) - and I have told him many of them before: no impact. He prefers to go on with his agenda obviously full of pure hate (probably also against himself). I can't find another reason for someone to write such an enormous amount of complete bullshit to just support a simple runer who competed some 40 years ago.

Does Coedeppe really believe that Ovett, Coe, Cram are the best answers for some possible 3000m Olympic champions in 1980, 84 and 88? I start to believe: yes, he really seems to be obsessed that much (and for sure he is not capable to think logically and also is not very well informed about the subject he spend half his life with).

Ovett was capable to break the 800m WR by 1 second, the 1500m WR by 4 seconds and the 5000m WR by 17 seconds in 1978? Maybe that's the reason why he was very pleased with a successfull attempt to break the European Mile record: 3:52.8 in Oslo after the Europeans. Because he (in for sure better conditions) easily could have run around 8 seconds faster.

What's wrong with all these brits who can't stop arguing that there beloved heroes COULD have done almost everything IF just... Really, what's wrong with them? Why are here no Czechs who can't stop telling the world that Emil Zatopek actually was a 13:10 guy (with better shoes). Why no French try to convince the world that Michel Jazy could have run 3:45 in the Mile (and would have become the Olympic 3000m champion in 1960, 64 and 68). No Norwegian regularly tell us that Ingrid Kristiansen and Grete Waitz would habe beaten Almaz Ayana. No Germans here that try to convince everyone that Rudolf Harbig on a modern track would have run 1:41. And so on. Just the brits. What general problem do they have?

Coevett wrote:

You're an utter moron.

The correct term is MORAN. And don’t talk about my udders, I’m very sensitive.

Coevett wrote:

I don't claim to know much about track other than being a fan of its history, and hence I know a lot about particular individuals such as Ovett, but I can spot that you know even less.

I “know even less”. That’s a pretty general, meaningless, emotional, buzzword accusation. Bet it made you feel smart though, right, pal?

Coevett wrote:

None of your replies even make much sense, so I'm not going to bother.

You bothered to reply. You bothered to type this out. You bothered to type more after this.

Seems like you’re pretty bothered.

Coevett wrote:

And stop coming back and replying to your own posts under another anonymous handle. Psycho.

Why do you keep repeating this? Can’t think of anything to say? Are you scared?

What? You gonna cwy? You gonna cwy, huh? Cwy, little baby. Cwy.

An injured Said Aouita beat Peter Elliott in the 800m final at the 1988 OG.

He would have beaten Elliott easily in the 1500m if he wasn't injured. It was clear he wasn't injured. You're making it sound like Aouita was dodging Cram again.

Because it's so effing obvious to everyone but yourself?

Again, not sure why the mods continue to allow a mentally challenged weirdo like you continue to deface and ruin threads.

BTW, if you are a vivalarepublica, as you appear to have definitively let slip, you're about to be in a world of trouble.

Elliot was injured himself you fool. Despite this, he was man enough to not only see out the 1500m, he narrowly miss a gold medal and immortality (to yet another very dubious Kenyan).

Aouita knocked into Elliott and went home crying like a baby.

I'm sure Bekele would win the 3000m. If it was an Olympic event he would of taken it more seriously and trained his speed more. He also would of run faster in the 1500m as a result. Look at the 2000m. He still has the WR for the indoor.

Coevett wrote:

Elliot was injured himself you fool. Despite this, he was man enough to not only see out the 1500m, he narrowly miss a gold medal and immortality (to yet another very dubious Kenyan).

Aouita knocked into Elliott and went home crying like a baby.

Why exactly is Peter Rono a "very dubious Kenyan"?

Ryukishi wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Elliot was injured himself you fool. Despite this, he was man enough to not only see out the 1500m, he narrowly miss a gold medal and immortality (to yet another very dubious Kenyan).

Aouita knocked into Elliott and went home crying like a baby.

Why exactly is Peter Rono a "very dubious Kenyan"?

Don't feed the racist troll

Banana Bread wrote:

Ryukishi wrote:

Why exactly is Peter Rono a "very dubious Kenyan"?

Don't feed the racist troll

Go away incel.

Peter Rono was highly dubious because, like several other Kenyans at Seoul, he turned up on the day unheralded and won Gold and was barely heard of again. Kenyans started their domination in 87/88, just when the new form of HGH was becoming available in the USA, and almost all of the first generation (before EPO) were based there (like Rono, Ereng...).

Coevett wrote:

Banana Bread wrote:

Don't feed the racist troll

Go away incel.

Peter Rono was highly dubious because, like several other Kenyans at Seoul, he turned up on the day unheralded and won Gold and was barely heard of again. Kenyans started their domination in 87/88, just when the new form of HGH was becoming available in the USA, and almost all of the first generation (before EPO) were based there (like Rono, Ereng...).

Unheralded?

Peter Rono was already a gold medalist in the African XC Championships from '85 and had made the Kenyan team for the WC in Rome the year before Seoul.

And barely heard of again?

A quick look at his IAAF profile shows that he had very good results until 1993 and was competing until at least 1996. That's 8 years after Seoul.

Banana Bread wrote:

I'm sure Bekele would win the 3000m. If it was an Olympic event he would of taken it more seriously and trained his speed more. He also would of run faster in the 1500m as a result. Look at the 2000m. He still has the WR for the indoor.

Very possible.

Ryukishi wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Go away incel.

Peter Rono was highly dubious because, like several other Kenyans at Seoul, he turned up on the day unheralded and won Gold and was barely heard of again. Kenyans started their domination in 87/88, just when the new form of HGH was becoming available in the USA, and almost all of the first generation (before EPO) were based there (like Rono, Ereng...).

Unheralded?

Peter Rono was already a gold medalist in the African XC Championships from '85 and had made the Kenyan team for the WC in Rome the year before Seoul.

And barely heard of again?

A quick look at his IAAF profile shows that he had very good results until 1993 and was competing until at least 1996. That's 8 years after Seoul.

Well, nobody expected him to win in Seoul, and he never won a major race of any importance in the rest of his career. Maybe I am being unfair in that it was a devalued 1500m in Seoul. It should have been the most stacked in history (imagine a healthy Cram, Aouita, Coe, Elliott, Bile) instead it was a case of any top 10 runner who turns up in shape will likely win if they run the right race. And that's what happened with Rono. So it wasn't as if he produced anything particularly out of the ordinary, just that he was running against cripples and had a good day.

Probably his best result after Seoul was finishing fourth behind Coe (second) in Zurich the next year.

(BTW, supposedly Coe wouldn't cope with the 'African invasion', yet you get a glimpse here of what a well past his best Coe, who had also taken a knock the previous week at the AAAs and wasn't even at full throttle, could do against them).

Coevett wrote:

Well, nobody expected him to win in Seoul, and he never won a major race of any importance in the rest of his career. Maybe I am being unfair in that it was a devalued 1500m in Seoul. It should have been the most stacked in history (imagine a healthy Cram, Aouita, Coe, Elliott, Bile) instead it was a case of any top 10 runner who turns up in shape will likely win if they run the right race. And that's what happened with Rono. So it wasn't as if he produced anything particularly out of the ordinary, just that he was running against cripples and had a good day.

True.

A bit like Nils Schumann in Sydney 2000.

Try to ignore the troll/s who are clearly winding you up. Of course Ovett wasn't 'all out' when winning that 2 miles, and of course he was capable of much faster. Anyone with a brain can see that.

The pacing for that 2 miles was dreadful, with Rono changing pace regularly, surging in places and purposely slowing down in others. This is the worst way of running an optimum time.

Both were probably not at their freshest in that 2 mile, but Ovett certainly would have had a heavy schedule of 5 or 6 races in a week in Prague still in his legs.

I think Ovett was capable of breaking Rono's then WR over 3000m of 7:32.1, but as you have stated, wasn't really interested in chasing times in 1978. I think 3 k was too short for Rono, who was far greater and more dangerous over 5 & 10k. Interestingly, Coe wanted to run in this race too, but his participation was blocked by Andy Norman!

dbsquirtNXC21 wrote:

mo in 2012 and 16 no question

Only if he had chosen not to run both the 5k and 10k.

He could possibly have run the 3000m instead of the 5000m, but there is no way he could have run the 3000m (with rounds) and won a 3rd gold! If he'd just run the 3000m at both, then I agree he would have been favourite.

Wow! That's a very fervent and sweeping generalisation there Said88! I have to say I think you are above this.

By all means criticise and disagree with Coevett, but you're in danger of sounding as bad as those you are critical of by claiming there is a problem with 'Just the brits'!

I'm on record on here of stating that Herb Elliott, Ryun, Snell, even Aouita, were all capable of much faster times in the correct circumstances. None of them are British are they!? Which kind of contradicts the claim you're making about Brits!

I'm not going to get into a point by point slanging match, although suffice it to say that Aouita was clearly capable of 3:28 flat in Nice 85 and I would make him favourite to win a 3000m in 84 and 88. However, it is also true that Ovett was capable of much faster than his pbs (certainly in the 800 and 3000/5000m) too.

I can see how you have got frustrated with certain comments from some posters, but please refrain from making sweeping generalisations of all Brits.

Aouita certainly had a finishing kick that could compete with Coe and Cram over 1500m, although he lacks the medals of the British runners at that distance. I don't think he'd have been able to match Coe and Ovett over 800m at their best. But over 3000m, his record was far better than any of the Brits. While Ovett had the potential to perhaps match Aouita over 3000m and 5000m, (and would be a danger in a championship setting), had he moved up in 83, Aouita was (head and shoulders) the best 3000m/5000m runner in the world from 84 to 89.

This thread is a good illustration of how coevette et al ruin the boards. A thread about the Olympics, and essentially the history of modern middle distance running, and it becomes reduced to a discussion of how awesome his British triumvirate were/are/could be. The OG have run for over a century and the entire thread becomes focused on three particular years, 80, 84 and 88. Simply because of coevette.

It's ridiculous.

In 96 Komen woulda/coulda and shoulda won the 5000m but didn't even make the team. Gebreselassie was clearly the next best 3000-5000m runner that year and he also didn't even compete at the 5000m in 96. So I think it's reasonable to say neither of them woulda won the 3000m. So who? Cram? Ovett or Coe?

I feel there’s more intrigue in upholding the OP’s terms for the hypothetical and assuming the 1500 & 5,000 are still being contested. Furthermore I tended to assume that the 10k/5k double was more doable in terms of scheduling than the 3k/5k double, so while I believe Bekele and Farah were the best 3k runners in ‘08 and ‘16, respectively, I haven’t listed them as 3k gold medalists.

56 - John Landy

60 - Murray Halberg

64 - Harald Norpoth

68 - Kip Keino

72 - Kip Keino

76 - Rod Dixon

80 - Eamonn Coghlan

84 - Said Aouita

88 - Dieter Baumann

92 - Dieter Baumann

96 - Noureddine Morceli

00 - Ali Said-Sief

04 - Hicham El Guerrouj

08 - Edwin Soi

12 - Dejen Gebremeskel

16 - Abdelaati Iguider