Katelyn Tuohy is NOT as good as Mary Cain (not yet)

It’s funny someone said that Tuohy is more talented than Dibaba when Dibaba ran 14:49 at the same age. 14:49 is LIGHT YEARS faster than 15:37. They’re not even in the same ballpark. Tuohy is awesome and I’ll always root for her, but comparing her to one of the greatest female talents ever is a joke.

It’s like saying Ritz in HS (who was my idol) was more talented than Bekele at the same age. They’re both amazing, but not GOATs.

Hasay has been the one to make it out. Interesting she focused on California meets most of her career - didn’t do full indoor season or outdoor nationals. Clearly let her body develop as she had minimal muscle in hs. She focused on developing speed (1500) even though her best event is he marathon. She didn’t bail on the slow develmebt process. Cain Bailed and went for immediate glory. She wasn’t strong in xc because bronxville is a low mileage speed based program - and the well respected head coach - wasn’t going to over train her for immediate glory. She was getting fast enough and being successful in the track program - doing relays. Her parents got greedy. Tuohy clearly runs a lot and works out a lot. If will be interesting to see where her career goes - how close to her ceiling they are getting her with the all in - hardest workouts you can imagine (her words) approach

All those pedos on lets run. Really creepy to read

GoldenMiles wrote:

It’s funny someone said that Tuohy is more talented than Dibaba when Dibaba ran 14:49 at the same age. 14:49 is LIGHT YEARS faster than 15:37. They’re not even in the same ballpark. Tuohy is awesome and I’ll always root for her, but comparing her to one of the greatest female talents ever is a joke.

Again, these posts are total cornball bs.

Dibaba has zero teenage credentials. All of her "teen" times were run while she was in her 20s, loaded with that sweet Italian EPO. Anyone who doesn't disregard E. African "teenage" times is a fool.

A clean teenage Tuohy destroys a clean teenage Dibaba.

Semenyagoat wrote:

All those pedos on lets run. Really creepy to read

Where in this thread is anyone sexualizing these athletes? They're fierce competitors on the national stage. We debate about HS boys, why would we not talk about HS girls? That's a disservice to them.

Perhaps it is you who is uncomfortable with yourself.

Not really Tuohy has broken a lot of Mary Cain's age group records. So if you compare them by age Tuohy is right there with her also Tuohy is the 2 time national champ across country. Mary Cain was a great Runner no doubt but if you compare them at both track and cross-country Tuohy is the only one that dominates both Sports

Hydlide wrote:

GoldenMiles wrote:

It’s funny someone said that Tuohy is more talented than Dibaba when Dibaba ran 14:49 at the same age. 14:49 is LIGHT YEARS faster than 15:37. They’re not even in the same ballpark. Tuohy is awesome and I’ll always root for her, but comparing her to one of the greatest female talents ever is a joke.

Again, these posts are total cornball bs.

Dibaba has zero teenage credentials. All of her "teen" times were run while she was in her 20s, loaded with that sweet Italian EPO. Anyone who doesn't disregard E. African "teenage" times is a fool.

A clean teenage Tuohy destroys a clean teenage Dibaba.

So if she was 20's then, how old is she now 40's? she ran 2:18 in the Marathon a couple of months ago and was disappointed.

Indoor? wrote:

So you are saying that Mary Cain was going to be as good as she is now no matter what, and had nothing to do with her decisions?

Correct.

douglas burke wrote:

Hydlide wrote:

Again, these posts are total cornball bs.

Dibaba has zero teenage credentials. All of her "teen" times were run while she was in her 20s, loaded with that sweet Italian EPO. Anyone who doesn't disregard E. African "teenage" times is a fool.

A clean teenage Tuohy destroys a clean teenage Dibaba.

So if she was 20's then, how old is she now 40's? she ran 2:18 in the Marathon a couple of months ago and was disappointed.

I doubt Dibaba is doping or an age cheat.

She is world class since 2002. Her sister is another story.

Stairs wrote:

http://www.tullyrunners.com/Indoor2015/NYStatesGirls2015.htmhttps://ny.milesplit.com/articles/146119-katelyn-tuohy-smashes-own-7th-grade-state-record-over-1000mhttps://usatodayhss.com/2015/gavigan-huge-but-suffern-girls-n-rockland-boys-tops

June 12, 2016 when Katelyn was 14 years old and fearlessly raced Sammy Watson.

https://www.milesplit.com/articles/184408/watch-ny-state-1500m-sammy-watson-vs-katelyn-tuohy-national-record

Katelyn Tuohy has always been a great runner. Fiercely competitive, determined, disciplined and hard working.

She is the most exciting runner ever.

Interesting that in this race video that Kelsey Chmiel is leading the race at the start. She's run great at NXN, especially this year, but is always in second behind Tuohy. I think she also deserves a shout-out for being an up-and-coming star.

Indoor? wrote:

So you are saying that Mary Cain was going to be as good as she is now no matter what, and had nothing to do with her decisions?

If he or she doesn't, I will.

Hydlide wrote:

GoldenMiles wrote:

It’s funny someone said that Tuohy is more talented than Dibaba when Dibaba ran 14:49 at the same age. 14:49 is LIGHT YEARS faster than 15:37. They’re not even in the same ballpark. Tuohy is awesome and I’ll always root for her, but comparing her to one of the greatest female talents ever is a joke.

Again, these posts are total cornball bs.

Dibaba has zero teenage credentials. All of her "teen" times were run while she was in her 20s, loaded with that sweet Italian EPO. Anyone who doesn't disregard E. African "teenage" times is a fool.

A clean teenage Tuohy destroys a clean teenage Dibaba.

Just to be generous, I’ll give you that Dibaba was in her 20s for times ran as a teen (even though, as someone else said, that would make her long-term success up to the present even more impressive).

Tuohy is still NEVER going to run the times or have the career Dibaba had. And I say that as someone who is wholeheartedly rooting for Tuohy and wishes her the best. But you think some American girl in the next decade and a half is going to rub 14:11, 29:XX, and 2:17, in addition to all of the gold medals? Come on, man. The odds are astronomically low. I’ll eat my own shoe if she surpasses Dibaba’s career.

By the way, you gave absolutely no proof, but I’ll just grant you that you’ll never believe Dibaba’s age. But how you do as a teen ultimately doesn’t matter. It’s how you do as an adult that does.

douglas burke wrote:

Tuohy will likely be running UNDER 2:20 for the Marathon when she is in her 40's

Without stooping to the low blows so often used as rhetorical currency around here, I would say that you sound like a good candidate for a massive dose of Clozaril.

she looked healthier in 9th grade than 10th. There was a huge shift in body type from states in 9th grade to Manhattan invite in 10th grade. Huge change, in a short period of time. Although, I'm impressed her body has held up for as a long as it has.

My high school’s 3200 record was set by a sophomore girl. By senior year, she was only 3rd best on the team. Tuohy’s brother is only an average runner so there is no indication that she will become a world class runner.

Be careful to dismiss the East African teen times like we are doing here with Dibaba, because if we do that. Then the argument that Tuohy is overtraining and headed to burn out holds more water. The best argument against burn out has been “look at all the East Africans who run a ton when they are younger and are good as teens and forever”

And I will double down: Mary Cain mismanaged her career, if she hadn’t gone pro and had shown some patience she would still be running at a high level. We forgot her downfall came after the age of 18. It’s not likely she just hit puberty and this is what she is. She had life changes, injuries which effected her mentally and got in a rut. What coach hasn’t seen that happen?

She is on the path of the Frazier sisters.

I think Tuohy has a more elite-looking runner body compared to Mary Cain. Her calves are extremely thin in a way reminding me of the East Africans. I think her ceiling is much higher than Cain's.

Stay focussed wrote:

They should concentrate on long term plans eg Olympics, not being top school runner.

Also, how come these threads gushing about school athletes are always about little girls? Doesn't this strike anyone as a little bit odd? I can't remember a SINGLE THREAD about a schoolboy sensation. Or video links featuring him.

Alan Webb and Ritz threads were ubiquitous in the old Letsrun and DyeStat when they were tearing up courses.

I think the obsession over the girls is there because deep down inside, some of these guys are a bit unnerved by the fact that a high school girl can run much faster than them, and so they try to get some of it off their chest by creating a thread about the girl. In hopes that someone would say the popular: "Ah, she's gonna burn out by 21" or some other trope...It puts the unnerved guy at ease because in his mind he thinks "Well, she's running as fast as she'll ever run! Girls justpeak earlier!"