which makes us ask....just how good was lukas verzbicas?

westsouthrunner wrote:

america, land of the juicers wrote:

lol if LV was doping then alan webb sure AF was doping!! 3:53 high school? fukkk outta here

Says the 4:53 hs miler. Jk

But in all seriousness Webb's performances/career never seemed like doped up performances. Look at him in the WC's. Now compare to mahkloufi and kiprop.

google search "alan webb ripped" and you will see what he looked like when he ran his AR. definitly juicin bro

america, land of the juicers wrote:

westsouthrunner wrote:

Says the 4:53 hs miler. Jk

But in all seriousness Webb's performances/career never seemed like doped up performances. Look at him in the WC's. Now compare to mahkloufi and kiprop.

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan+webb+ripped&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS816US816&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipt5Gkh5vfAhUQJ3wKHfGIAdoQ_AUIDigB&biw=1600&bih=754

google search "alan webb ripped" and you will see what he looked like when he ran his AR. definitly juicin bro

Webb might look juice compared to aneroxic toothpicks that most elite runners look like. But, he just looks like a regular natty gym rat. Just go to any high school wrestling competition and you'll realize how easy that physique is to get by just lifting, cardio and protein.

america, land of the juicers wrote:

Back in the USSR wrote:

LV's mom ran for the Soviets and was his coach. Once he left her "program" for Oregon, he ran poorly.

lol if LV was doping then alan webb sure AF was doping!! 3:53 high school? fukkk outta here

If Raczko had a shady backround, I might agree with you. I don't subscribe to the "Fast = dope" paradigm.

The LV we saw at Oregon was the clean one.

If LV actually trained in the triathlon all along as claimed, then he came into his high school years with a much better aerobic engine than most high schoolers. Comparing him with Ches is quite fair, really, because Ches was known to put in super workouts from time to time before moving to the United States. It's not surprising they dominated.

Webb comes from a background of swimming. His musculature is hard to compare with pure runners. Considering he was better in the 1500 than further distances it makes sense he was a little buff.

Please, no documented proof of doping, shut up about it. All this BS is based on who people like and don't for whatever imaginary reasons...The fact is, if LV had not spent so much time doing triathlon, and had some world class coaching for his running and his mind, he certainly had the potential to be a great. He owned cross country and didn't even try that hard! He ran the vast majority of his races putting out just enough to win comfortably. The only races he really pushed hard was his 2 mile track record.

And as dominant as King Ches was at Orgeon, he still hasn't quite found his best event yet as a pro. Big potential there with all his speed.

Black Pilled Norman wrote:

Come college, he's cut from his "source" (mommy), and actually has to compete against grown adults. Not so fun anymore, eh? Throws a tantrum, ragequits, the rest is history.

We saw his potential. He was running 14:00 5Ks in his early 20s and likely wouldn't have gotten much faster.

Leave this dude behind and celebrate the legit high school phenoms.

Please. But everyone was saying Ches was 20 in HS as well and he improved a ton.

I thought Ches had stagnated in HS. He ended up getting A LOT better.

Did anyone see him running??? He looked awful. 100% he was juicing.

Just coming on here with completely baseless doping allegations is complete BS. Some guys are just darned good. I wish LV would have followed through with his running career and stayed away from the tri, I'm positive he could have been great.

Did he run the stairs at Swallow Cliff ?

I was wrong: he raced xc twice at Oregon.

23rd at Pac 12 champs in 23:55, as well as 62nd at his first meet.

Just not up to his standards.

2011-12: Cross Country - One of five freshmen to factor in the scoring at the Pac-12 championships with his 23rd-place finish in 23:55 (8,000 meters). Was the Ducks' No. 4 scorer. Made his Oregon debut at the Wisconsin adidas Invitational, where he finished 62nd in a deep and large field (24:35.4/8,000 meters).

I don't like accusations lodged against any American runners. I think he was legitimately 18 and clean. He would have gone on to run 3:38 and 13:45 by senior year of college.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

I was wrong: he raced xc twice at Oregon.

23rd at Pac 12 champs in 23:55, as well as 62nd at his first meet.

Just not up to his standards.

2011-12: Cross Country - One of five freshmen to factor in the scoring at the Pac-12 championships with his 23rd-place finish in 23:55 (8,000 meters). Was the Ducks' No. 4 scorer. Made his Oregon debut at the Wisconsin adidas Invitational, where he finished 62nd in a deep and large field (24:35.4/8,000 meters).

for someone who is used to 40 miles per week or less and being a true freshman, 23:55 is an awesome time. First race 24:35 second race 23:55, he was definitely learning the longer race.

Lol this is so stupid

ric flair woo wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

I was wrong: he raced xc twice at Oregon.

23rd at Pac 12 champs in 23:55, as well as 62nd at his first meet.

Just not up to his standards.

2011-12: Cross Country - One of five freshmen to factor in the scoring at the Pac-12 championships with his 23rd-place finish in 23:55 (8,000 meters). Was the Ducks' No. 4 scorer. Made his Oregon debut at the Wisconsin adidas Invitational, where he finished 62nd in a deep and large field (24:35.4/8,000 meters).

for someone who is used to 40 miles per week or less and being a true freshman, 23:55 is an awesome time. First race 24:35 second race 23:55, he was definitely learning the longer race.

Not idea why you're bootlicking so hard for one of the sketchiest runners we've seen in the U.S.

In any event, those are TERRIBLE results for someone who ran 8:29 and won Footlocker twice in high school. Abysmal. Definitely something fishy going on.

In contrast, Ritz was 4th at NCAAs as a frosh.

makes u think

He fell off his bike. HAHAHAHAHAHA

He got seriously injured.

Those two performances in his short time at Oregon were of course lackluster for someone as capable as LV but I do believe he should have stuck it out (he even said so on that Flotrack series) given how eventful 2011 was for him including his peak performance at World Tri. just over a month before his collegiate debut at the Wisconsin invite. Considering that a lot of his best work was on the track and that he was adjusting from whatever training he was doing with his parents to training under Lananna, maybe he could've materialized that promising collegiate career that a lot people were checking on at the time. He was insanely talented and seemed to have the work ethic to continue building on what he left behind in high school.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

He was a phenomenal runner. His combined mile and 2-mile times were 5+ seconds faster than any other HS runner.

I've never understood why he ran so poorly at Oregon. Although his HS school times would indicate he could have been at least in top 10 at Nationals, he ran in the high 24's for 5 miles..

he didn't like running as his only sport. sure he was talented, but he didn't want to be a professional runner. some guys are phenomenal jumpers or sprinters but choose basketball and football because it's more fun/lucrative/less demanding etc

you guys are all obsessed with running and can't grasp this, but his heart wasn't in it.

that matters.

america, land of the juicers wrote:

westsouthrunner wrote:

Says the 4:53 hs miler. Jk

But in all seriousness Webb's performances/career never seemed like doped up performances. Look at him in the WC's. Now compare to mahkloufi and kiprop.

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan+webb+ripped&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS816US816&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipt5Gkh5vfAhUQJ3wKHfGIAdoQ_AUIDigB&biw=1600&bih=754

google search "alan webb ripped" and you will see what he looked like when he ran his AR. definitly juicin bro

Webb ran his PB in the 800m, the 1500m, and mile within less than a month of each other.

whether or not he was doping remains to be known, but he was certainly firing on all cylinders.

i think it's smart to race/time trial a mile shortly after your 1500m pb so you can get a fast equivalent time instead of waiting for the random stacked mile race once a year and only be a 3:49 guy etc