Finally, the real deal about D1 P5 Scholarships

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Also keep in mind if they are getting 50% of a full that covers room and board but then they live off campus, that means their athletic scholarship will cover a huge chunk of their tuition possibly all.

I agree with the original poster, they are very accurate. I'm not sure why so many people are saying that what he said isn't accurate. I was a mid 9:0X guy in high school, was offered 10% at one P5 school, 50% at a non-P5 school, and in the middle for another P5 school. Very few people get a full-ride. You've got to be a P5 conference title contender right away as a freshman and a top 8 NCAA contender right away to be offered a full-ride. And how many freshman distance runners are at that level? Hardly any, distance runners take a long time to develop, most of the best ones are juniors and seniors so you'll only have a couple good years out of them. A 4:07 high schooler is really good, but that won't get you anything in a P5 school at conference.

But for a sprinter, you'll have plenty of high schoolers that can be 10.35 or 46.25 freshmen that will get the track team good points right away at conference.

Another thing to note is that sometimes schools will get desperate and throw a high number at someone just to make sure they get at least one good recruit that year. Then they have less for anyone else. Also, they may have offered scholarship to a few athletes already that haven't given an answer yet. Because of that, they don't have much left to offer other potential good athletes so they'll throw them a lower number than they're worth.

Did you not read the story about that kid that was mentioned literally two posts above yours. You say a 9:0X kid gets 10%, the OP said they’d get 50% at MSU, but we have a news story that says a kid at MSU right now who ran 9:0X has his education paid for. I am not sure when you went to high school, or where you went for college but I do know that you are lying either yourself or everyone here by saying that a 9:0X got you only 10% off of college.

First time on the forums... wrote:

Consider a program like Oregon for a second. In just the mile/1500 alone, they had 8 guys (all of whom made it to the NCAA championship in some distance event) run the equivalent of sub 4 in 2017-18. They had a 110m hurdler qualify to NCAA outdoors, as well as a long jumper, a 100/200 guy, a 400 guy, a high jumper and a javelin thrower. Without even counting the other three members of their qualifying 4x400, their slew of athletes who qualified to the NCAA West Region, or even LOOKING at their NCAA indoor qualifiers we have... 14 athletes. I promise you, none of them have ever paid for much of anything even vaguely school-related, and I can almost guarantee you that they are not the only UO Men's track athletes in that same situation.

I did some more digging into their roster. One of their men’s freshman athletes who medaled at Pac 12s and won multiple CA state championships in high school as well as Brooks PR did not make NCAAs, so I take it he wouldn’t have been included in that count. Is anyone actually dumb enough to think that he walked on to the team?

you can become a full-scholarship guy once you're in school running really well if you didn't start on a full-ride...

Predictor wrote:

You are correct. It used to be that 1 or 2 guys would break 9 minutes but we now have 30-35 guys do it. It used to be that 5-10 guys would break 4:10 and now nearly 50 do it. It carries through to the NCAA also. Last year there were 75 guys who broke 14 but just 7 years ago only 40 did. So even guys who recently graduated and were getting recruited 8-10 years ago, things have changed dramatically. The Indiana roster even shocked me a bit. It's hard to believe that teams who don't qualify for nationals have a dozen guys who ran 4:15 and 9:15 and can't even make top 7.

Yes, and many college guys never run as fast as they did in high school.

75 guys broke 14 minutes in the NCAA in the spring. None of them broke 14 minutes in high school.

You have to break 9 before you get a penny at ND, Iowa State, Wisconsin, Stanford, Oregon, or Arkansas. That’s what the coaches said.

Maybe that’s why those programs can’t win NCAA XC... you’re supposed to develop your talent like NAU and Colorado and Syracuse.

I am not sure when you went to high school, or where you went for college but I do know that you are lying either yourself or everyone here by saying that a 9:0X got you only 10% off of college.[/quote]

I feel there is a huge piece of information being left out of everyone’s insight in this thread. Everyone fails to mention whether an athletes marks were set during their Junior or Senior season.

Having a HS PR of 9:0X and only getting 10% is very realistic if the particular athlete only ran 9:20-9:25 as a junior. Many of these athletes sign early on in their senior year, before they reach their HS PR’s.

Many juniors, who run 4:10/9:05 as a senior, accept a scholarship ranging from books up to 25% because their times were considerably slower as a junior. This is substantially different from an athlete who runs those elite marks as a junior.

I feel it would clear a lot of things up if when talking about an athlete’s times and scholarship amount, the season in which those times were run were included too.

Your point is valid but it is easier to just stick to the HS PR and the scholarship amount. The 9 flat kid who signs for 50% and then runs 8:50 his senior year heads to college with an 8:50 PR and a 50% scholarship. Another 9 flat kid who signs for 50% and then runs 9:10 as a senior graduates with a 9 flat HS PR and a 50% scholarship. It's just a better baseline because those 2 guys may be at 50% scholarships 3 years later even though one has run 13:50 and the other one has run 14:50. I agree that it may settle down some of the naysayers though. As far as the 9:0x time and a 10% scholarship, I know a kid who is at Wisconsin as a walk-on who ran 9:0x as a junior. He would have been happy to get 10%.

Who gives a 9:30 kid a full? You are out of your mind. This is like business, demand dictates cost so you pay that way with schlorships. You could still get that kid with partials so why pay full?

If he starts performing like you want, you redistribute. You never pay full in advance.

Thousands of kids every year at 9:30 would be willing to walk on at a D1 school. Many end up disappointed at a D3 school.

Former D1 coach. I wouldn't believe him if he said current D1 coach but he certainly could have been a former something after making decisions like that. My boss wouldn't keep me around if I signed a deal with a worse supplier for more money than another known supplier.

Ohio State has implemented the recipe for track success. They loaded up on national class sprinters. They won the Big Ten track title and then went on to only get 11th in the Big Ten XC meet. It is widely known that they put no scholarships into the distance program. These are the guys that went to nationals.

100m

21. Duan Asemota – 10.22

22. Zack Bazile – 10.23

27. Eric Harrison Jr. – 10.28

200m

8. Eric Harrison Jr. – 20.39

16. Nick Gray – 20.55

400m

34. Andre Jeff – 46.85

38. Drelan Bramwell – 46.94

40. Asa Burke – 46.94

800m

4. Alex Lomong – 1:47.43

110m Hurdles

9. DaJuan Seward – 13.64

4x100m Relay

3. Ohio State – 38.93

4x400m Relay

12. Ohio State – 3:06.72

Pole Vault

7. Cole Gorski – 5.50m

17. Coty Cobb – 5.31m

Long Jump

5. Zack Bazile – 8.03m

Triple Jump

11. DaJuan Seward – 16.00m

Shot Put

6. Nick Demaline – 20.14m

29. Max Seipel – 17.96m

31. Chance Ehrnsberger – 17.94m

Discus

19. Chance Ehrnsberger – 55.71m

Hammer

21. Aaron Zedella – 65.07m

It would be logical to think that an individual qualifying for nationals would be on a full scholarship but that isn't possible because there aren't enough scholarships to go around. They also have other Big 10 scorers who didn't go to nationals and guys who were injured and great HS runners who got a scholarship but did not improve in college. Even with all of the insults that Ohio State's XC team gets on these boards, look at some of the HS PRs of their distance squad. It continues to show that running 4:15 just doesn't get you anywhere anymore.

Landis 9:04

Miller 4:11

Bauer 4:15

Regas 4:19

Halford 4:21

Hayden 4:21

Predictor wrote:

4:15 just doesn't get you anywhere anymore.

Landis 9:04

Miller 4:11

Bauer 4:15

Regas 4:19

Halford 4:21

Hayden 4:21

Once again you have proven that the pimple on my rear has more brains than you. Who cares what they ran in high school? College coaches are supposed to develop their runners. If they took those runners and developed them, you'd have a few right around 4 flat or under and someone around 8:10.

Plude is from Charlevoix, he ran about 1:58, and 4:35. He was originally at saginaw, though.

I assume you read the title of the thread so that you understand my point. I agree that Ohio State is not developing their distance guys very well but I was pointing out that 4:15 guys are walking on at P5 programs. The perpetuating rumor is that they all get large scholarships. I know a local kid who ran 1:53 and 4:18 his junior year and he walked on at the local P5 team. The talk of the neighborhood though was that he got a full ride because most sports’ fans assume all sports can give everyone a full ride. If you talk about splitting scholarships, they are lost.

Some info from the super sprint conference, the SEC. Auburn was 10th at the SEC conference XC meet after finishing 8th at the indoor NCAA track meet in the spring. Check out their published recruit info.

Greetings and thank you for your interest in the Auburn Track and Field/Cross Country program. We encourage you to

browse our website and online media guide for information about our program. Please be sure to review our scholarship and walk-on standards listed below. Athletes interested in cross country will be evaluated on their placing at the State Championships, Footlocker and Nike Regional and National competitions. Each year there is a limited number of roster spots and scholarships available and the competition for these scholarships is very tough. If you have met the walk-on or scholarship standards we encourage you to contact us.

FULL PARTIAL WALK-ON

100 10.30 10.50 10.70

200 20.85 21.10 21.70

400 46.50 47.20 48.20

800 1:49.00 1:51.00 1:54.00

1600 4:04.00 4:10.00 4:16.00

3200 8:45.00 9:05.00 9:15.00