self-described introverts are people who are simply submissive on the social ladder. rather than engage in social discourse and be constantly reminded of their inferiority, they become "introverts" and pretend that doing is a virtue.
remember this whenever you run into someone who describes themselves as an "introvert"
Actually we are happy never having to deal w your types .....
Someone can be a self-described introvert and still be very dominant in the social hierarchy. Introversion vs. extroversion does not indicate someone's ability in social situations, but rather their preferences. I think we'd be surprised at how many high-status professionals dislike going out with their coworkers for dinner/drinks and would prefer going home to relax.
While it's probably likely that the two often go hand-in-hand, introversion is not simply another way of describing "social submission." I'm introverted, in the sense that social interactions are tiring for me. But that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy them.
For instance, if I spend all day at a conference talking with people, then I probably don't want to go to a cocktail party that evening. But if I am locked in my office all day writing a brief, then I'll definitely get excited for a happy hour.
Also, I was always pretty popular when I was younger. (There isn't much of a social ladder at my stage of life. I'm married, and my wife and I are both very professionally successful, so I guess that gives us a certain status, but it has nothing to do with being "cool.") I was the captain of a few teams, always had girlfriends, etc. When I was younger, I was always the defacto representative of a group when we needed to deal with adults. Being introverted didn't preclude any of that.
In fact, in some ways I think it helped me. I was very good at having serious one-on-one conversations where I really listened to people (classic introvert trait), and I think that made people like me. Lots of people who weren't among my closest friends felt like I understood and respected them, just because of a random conversation we had one time. I can't count the number of times I would pursue a girl and she would eventually tell me that she had asked people about me, and it would turn out that people who I didn't think I was that close to had told her really good things about me.
cbenson4 wrote:
Someone can be a self-described introvert and still be very dominant in the social hierarchy. Introversion vs. extroversion does not indicate someone's ability in social situations, but rather their preferences. I think we'd be surprised at how many high-status professionals dislike going out with their coworkers for dinner/drinks and would prefer going home to relax.
Not really. You don't have to inherently like socializing with large groups to be alpha. There is nothing about being alpha that requires you to climb some imaginary ladder via socialization.
To your second assertion, introversion is mostly a born trait not a product of the environment.
osaka wrote:
self-described introverts are people who are simply submissive on the social ladder. rather than engage in social discourse and be constantly reminded of their inferiority, they become "introverts" and pretend that doing is a virtue.
remember this whenever you run into someone who describes themselves as an "introvert"
This is likely very true.
So, let's ask what influenced the submission?
Adverse early life experiences. Whether it be a domineering parent, other caregiver, or bullying siblings, the submission is do to enviromental conditioning, and not genes, that's for sure.
You can now argue with me, but you'll be wrong.
(45 years of research, and read "Not In Your Genes" fyi.)
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cbenson4 wrote:
Someone can be a self-described introvert and still be very dominant in the social hierarchy. Introversion vs. extroversion does not indicate someone's ability in social situations, but rather their preferences. I think we'd be surprised at how many high-status professionals dislike going out with their coworkers for dinner/drinks and would prefer going home to relax.
+1
OP goes home devastated
Millennials are way more introverted than Boomers - glued to screens and less apt at social interactions.
Anyway, shouldn't you get back to your 'Boomers are the cause of all problems' schtick? That was mildly more entertaining
This is a very silly supposition. Introversion and extroversion is more about how a person recharges. Introverts need to be alone in order to unwind, while extroverts find being around people to be energizing. Many educators are introverts, but are openly confident and social in the classroom. I'm an introvert, but in no way am I submissive, and I have a superiority complex. If I disengage from an extrovert, it usually is to help them not to embarrass themselves. Maybe in that sense, you are right about the virtue part.
Better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
strykerd wrote:
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OP goes home devastated
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Some reading material for the OP to self-educate
Wabbit wrote:
This is a very silly supposition. Introversion and extroversion is more about how a person recharges. Introverts need to be alone in order to unwind, while extroverts find being around people to be energizing. Many educators are introverts, but are openly confident and social in the classroom. I'm an introvert, but in no way am I submissive, and I have a superiority complex. If I disengage from an extrovert, it usually is to help them not to embarrass themselves. Maybe in that sense, you are right about the virtue part.
This. I’d never openly describe myself as an introvert to anyone outside my very, very immediate circle (spouse, parents, maybe 2 close friends). I’ve made a career of being assertive and outgoing even though it takes a lot out of me, because that’s what it took to be successful. I do like the company of others but I like my me time afterwards in equal measure.
I have a superiority complex too. We secret introverts probably get them from all that alone time spent contemplating our virtues.
Many distance runners ( especially sub elite) are introverted. Introversion allows you to focus better on a task and exclude the social from impacting you from achieving your goals. I’ve found it a tremendous tool for helping me in life( and especially in running). Like others, I have a superiority complex and am not afraid of confrontation if necessary. It certainly doesn’t mean you’re weak.