Good comment. If you can go under 6 min for one mile, you are a better runner than most high schoolers by far, but , you are not necessarily a serious runner. If you run 10 mi in one hour or 20 mis in 2 hours you re very probably atrained runner and not just a hobbyjogger.
That's hobbyjogger talk.
These threads arguing whether 9:45 2 mile is hobby jogging is funny. As in seriously ppl always want to use that term that we're all sick of. Nobody is a hobby jogger because "hobby jogger" is just jogging for a hobby but at least we're all running, not jogging.
Cathy loves to run 13 wrote:
These threads arguing whether 9:45 2 mile is hobby jogging is funny. As in seriously ppl always want to use that term that we're all sick of. Nobody is a hobby jogger because "hobby jogger" is just jogging for a hobby but at least we're all running, not jogging.
That thread is great, the protagonist really went off the deep end. He was posting Army PT times and making the argument that Army guys are pros because they get paid, so those can't be hobby jogger times.
Why the additional hate? “Hobby Jogger” is like someone who is poor - no matter how hard they work - if they “live” below a certain threshold - they’re still poor. Like someone homeless on the street - hobby joggers should be grateful they are still noticed and receive handouts.
Unfortunately the term is a part of the site because the founders have a college scholarship background (the most common form of value that US runners receive). Water off a duck’s back! Good runners are a dime a dozen compared to good volunteers or, crucially, good race directors.
Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
seattle dude wrote:
What is with this all or nothing negativity here? No other sport has such ridiculous people making fun of others accomplishments. It seems that the definition of a hobby here is if you aren't good enough to make money at it? I get that waddling a 5 hour marathon is hardly chest beating material but there is a middle ground between the extremes.
The vast majority of people playing basketball at highschool will not get a scholarship and even the majority of basketball players at the collegiate level will never make it to the NBA. They will not get any money. I bet most of these players don't use the term "hobby" for what they are doing though. They say they are engaging in a competitive sport.
How about calling running a competitive sport like most other sports with participants who will never see money?
Anyone who takes running seriously, takes their competitions seriously qualifies as a runner to me.
And even if you must insist on calling it a hobby, why not call it "hobby running"? There's a thread arguing whether a 945 2m in HS is hobby jogging. Seriously? I know some people are being sarcastic but some are seriousl. well, 9:45 2m is not jogging even for the elites.
Most people here don't even define what the term jogging is. I would consider jogging to be something like going at a pace less than 60% of VO2 max. but I'm open to other definitions.
+1 Impressive post! ?
You are an autistic moron.
Have a nice day.
kitten wrote:
Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
+1 Impressive post! ?
You are an autistic moron.
Have a nice day.
Don't be a chump and just throw out a stupid one-liner with an insult (you give the perfect example of why Republicans & Democrats will never treat one another with respect and discuss things rationally).
So, don't be a wiseguy - instead of childish insults are you capable of participating in this discussion?
Let's get down to the issue at hand here: Why hobby jogging and not hobby running? (i.e. running as a hobby). Or fitness running? Or recreational running? Is there a scientifically established pace that defines running from jogging? And if there is, wouldn't it be possible to be running one day but jogging the next day depending on the type of the workout? So, would that person be a hobby runner/jogger? ?
How's this instead of "Hobby Jogger"? In a former lifetime I was an inline speed skater and the common terminology there was that skaters fell into one of three calssficiations: Recreational skater, Fitness Skater, or Speed Skater. Recreational skaters did it for fun, Fitness skaters did it for health and fitness benefits, and the Speed Skaters did it to be as fast as they could and usually compete/race.
So, would it make sens to call runners either: Fitness runner or Competitive Runner?
I say that become people don't really run for recreation, they do it for fitness/health. And that clearly distinguishes them from the runners who go out to crush PRs and race.
How about it? Fitness runners and Competitive runners.
I ran a 2:19 marathon a few years ago (5:19 mile pace for 26.2 miles). I jog now for fitness and could give two shits if someone called be a jogger now. Of course, for the sub 2:03 marathoners here who are beyond all of us mere mortals, this, too, is "hobby jogging" to them. What some of you will learn after you are done trying to live out running dreams is that how fast you run or ran doesn't matter in the end. We all get "caught up" wanting to be a Haile G or Mo Farah while competing only to find out what mattered most was the relationships we built along the way and challenging ourselves on the roads, track and in competitions. The 'Hobby Jogger' term is for small thinkers, athletes who may never come close to even national class level yet feel it is a necessity to belittle anyone slower than they are. Very few athletes have run even sub 2:30 for the marathon, sub 1:10 for the half or have broken 15:00 for 5K, very few and a very small percentage here at Letsrun, most of which are the very same posters calling "slower" runners "hobby joggers". Those of us who have been at high levels in this sport understand and respect those out putting in the work, trying to lose weight, drop a few minutes off their 5K time or complete a marathon (a significant achievement in and of itself). We get that running means very little at the end of the day other than a means to stay in shape, for most folks here, running is what they live and breathe for, salivating over world-class athletes and belittling those just out taking care of themselves (which should matter, not what time you run...this takes some time for damn near all runners to fully understand and most don't "get it" until they have retired from competitive racing). If you want to run full-time and make a relaxing living aim to break 2:05 for the marathon minimum and oh, make sure you duplicate that same effort routinely or else your sponsor may give you the boot. It's running folks, jogging, period. Guaranteed, you will see a poster write "what a hobby jogger would write" after this post because they are morons. They'd write it if a 2:19 marathoner or even if a 2:09 marathoner wrote it. Remember folks, this is letsrun.com....wait for it...
Hobby joggers go away. This is a running site and you stink. Literally.
alternative terminology, a new proposal wrote:
How's this instead of "Hobby Jogger"? In a former lifetime I was an inline speed skater and the common terminology there was that skaters fell into one of three calssficiations: Recreational skater, Fitness Skater, or Speed Skater. Recreational skaters did it for fun, Fitness skaters did it for health and fitness benefits, and the Speed Skaters did it to be as fast as they could and usually compete/race.
So, would it make sens to call runners either: Fitness runner or Competitive Runner?
I say that become people don't really run for recreation, they do it for fitness/health. And that clearly distinguishes them from the runners who go out to crush PRs and race.
How about it? Fitness runners and Competitive runners.
An old lady who is training to break 2 hours in a half marathon cannot possibly be a "competitive" runner. She is damn too slow. If she is training to improve her PB, she cannot possibly be that slow. That only means that she is faking her desire to break two. She is really only interested in the finisher's medal and the post race refreshment. But she knows that sounds bad. So she pretends to care about her time. That's what a "hobby jogger" means on this board.
A Typical LRC A-hole wrote:
alternative terminology, a new proposal wrote:
How's this instead of "Hobby Jogger"? In a former lifetime I was an inline speed skater and the common terminology there was that skaters fell into one of three calssficiations: Recreational skater, Fitness Skater, or Speed Skater. Recreational skaters did it for fun, Fitness skaters did it for health and fitness benefits, and the Speed Skaters did it to be as fast as they could and usually compete/race.
So, would it make sens to call runners either: Fitness runner or Competitive Runner?
I say that become people don't really run for recreation, they do it for fitness/health. And that clearly distinguishes them from the runners who go out to crush PRs and race.
How about it? Fitness runners and Competitive runners.
An old lady who is training to break 2 hours in a half marathon cannot possibly be a "competitive" runner. She is damn too slow. If she is training to improve her PB, she cannot possibly be that slow. That only means that she is faking her desire to break two. She is really only interested in the finisher's medal and the post race refreshment. But she knows that sounds bad. So she pretends to care about her time. That's what a "hobby jogger" means on this board.
Stupid post! Is there a scientifically established pace that defines running from jogging? And if there is, wouldn't it be possible to be running one day but jogging the next day depending on the type of the workout? So, would that person be a hobby runner/jogger?
And the old lady in your example (btw, how old?) trying to break 2 hrs in HM is "too damn slow?" And if she's racing against other old ladies in her age group isn't that "competitive running?" (i.e. competing against other people to beat them?). And what's funny is if the old people just sit on their duffs all day doing nothing but getting fat and draining the medical system with their chronic illnesses you dudes complain about that as well. ?
A Typical LRC A-hole wrote:
alternative terminology, a new proposal wrote:
How's this instead of "Hobby Jogger"? In a former lifetime I was an inline speed skater and the common terminology there was that skaters fell into one of three calssficiations: Recreational skater, Fitness Skater, or Speed Skater. Recreational skaters did it for fun, Fitness skaters did it for health and fitness benefits, and the Speed Skaters did it to be as fast as they could and usually compete/race.
So, would it make sens to call runners either: Fitness runner or Competitive Runner?
I say that become people don't really run for recreation, they do it for fitness/health. And that clearly distinguishes them from the runners who go out to crush PRs and race.
How about it? Fitness runners and Competitive runners.
An old lady who is training to break 2 hours in a half marathon cannot possibly be a "competitive" runner. She is damn too slow. If she is training to improve her PB, she cannot possibly be that slow. That only means that she is faking her desire to break two. She is really only interested in the finisher's medal and the post race refreshment. But she knows that sounds bad. So she pretends to care about her time. That's what a "hobby jogger" means on this board.
I'm sure true competitive elites look at your times the same way you look at a 2 hour half marathon ? Get over yourself.