Good article on the relationship between Kieffer & Hudson

Their relationship is a tad odd. That's all I am going to say.

Maybe also explains why he wanted Allie to take his car instead of hers.

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Maybe also explains why he wanted Allie to take his car instead of hers.

Or could she be just manipulating his fragile emotions to boost her own ego? I used to follow her on social media and she is "unapologetic and selfish" her words, not mine.

God, the fantasizing in this thread is hilariously pathetic. Talking about mother/son figures, emotionalizing history, sexual coupledom...get a grip. The only smart thing that's been said so far is Vivawhatever saying it was the last he'd/she'd say about it. Good. The mythologizing here is toxic.

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God, the fantasizing in this thread is hilariously pathetic. Talking about mother/son figures, emotionalizing history, sexual coupledom...get a grip. The only smart thing that's been said so far is Vivawhatever saying it was the last he'd/she'd say about it. Good. The mythologizing here is toxic.

1) The article and this thread focused on the relationship between the two. Within reason, that is the topic that is "fair game".

2) Other coaches and athletes can learn from both the positive and negative aspects covered in the article and a discussion about it. Some of us have had similar long-term coaching and relationships, and have a basis from which to comment. Personally I see both positive and negative aspects with these two, it will be interesting to see how they work it out for the long-term. Allie is a real talent and Brad's heart is in the right place, good luck to them.

That was a really good article, but, I’m struggling a little with what feeling was actually trying to be given. Was it really aiming for positive or was it actually trying to create a creepy uncomfortable feeling? What I got was creepy uncomfortable, which is actually what I think made it good. I also don’t understand how these two live - does she actually make enough money as a sponsored athlete where neither of them need a job? Great photos.

arent most of the boulder training groups having a lot of issues right now? Seems like it

Seems like It’s often a new cycle of people coming to boulder every 2-3 years and they aren’t in Colorado area anymore. And then a couple come for like a few months and leave.

You get a lot of people who flock to town looking for that Boulder Magic, yet for various factors they just don't feel it to be the place that works for them. Some find it too liberal, too wealthy, too slow, too snowy, too whatever to feel embraced, settled, and at home here.

It's not a diverse place, even for its size, and Boulder easily can feel cold and alien if your background isn't very white and affluent. For some, being socially excluded can help them lock-in on their own mission. You still want to find the right amount of allies for support.

Then you have the subset who fit in well yet their observable reactions and behavior, whatever the reason, wind up closing doors to opportunity, even if it's an intentional choice. I don't know what specifically applies to Brad or the athletes who have come through his group or others, it's just a view of patterns over the past 10 years here.

Very good analysis of Boulder.

Most athletes don’t move to Boulder with a plan. Athletes didn’t move there to be a part of Hudson Elite. They moved their first. Boulder was the draw not Brad.

Athletes move to Boulder for the lifestyle, not for performance reasons.

Coaches like Brad or Lee picked up a lot of these lifestyle athletes, but of course sooner or later the lack of commitment to performance from these guys just shows through.

The only successful structure in Boulder is CU because recruiting is the biggest part of college running and it's easy to recruit (lifestyle) athletes to come.to run in Boulder.

I thought the article was excellent. Having a coach myself, I can see where Allie is coming from, and look up to her in her ability to be autonomous enough in the coach/athlete relationship to speak up and have input about her workouts, so that her and Brad work together on them to both improve as athlete and coach. This is something I wish my own coach and I could work on.

I think that the dynamic they have is successful because they continue to challenge one another in a positive way, so that Allie is comfortable enough to have confidence to have a say in her training (and therefore more motivation), and that Brad is always thinking about his reason why he coaches in the first place, in a way that reinforces his passion for it.

They have a balance of direction, autonomy, empathy, and flexibility in the training plan that seems to be working well for them.

I think that, too often, especially in a coach-athlete relationship where the coach is male and the athlete is female, most women are afraid to speak up; it's easier for them to do the workouts as told without having the confidence to ask the purpose of the workouts or suggest changes.

Creek Path Hero wrote:

....Then you have the subset who fit in well yet their observable reactions and behavior, whatever the reason, wind up closing doors to opportunity, even if it's an intentional choice. I don't know what specifically applies to Brad or the athletes who have come through his group or others, it's just a view of patterns over the past 10 years here.

You mean burning bridges or ? Burning bridges never a good idea

whad do i know wrote:

Two thirds of these posts were written by the same dude some jealous beta orbiter that got shut down I would guess. Sad.

Maybe, but some have grammatical errors, so I suspect it it’s not the same poster.

Could you give, say, three examples of insights you came away with from this article? How exactly will it help you to coach highly talented female athletes?

coahc wrote:

one of the better articles that I have read in a long time about the athlete/coach relationship. Good insight for those of us that work with highly talented females.

I'm about as far out as Pluto on the Boulder scene, but have been around there for awhile.

Interesting read, and not quite sure what to make of it all. Nederland to Buffalo to Thailand and Kenya. Then what? Back to Nederland and Boulder next spring? Wasn't there something about Mammoth a ways back?

You know, back in the older days the athletes didn't come here for the coach. But that's changed. Wish Allie Kieffer and Brad Hudson the best.

There's too much New Jersey in Boulder.

Coach Hudson’s instagram gives a good insight their relationship too. *sus face*

The bloke has gone and deleted any former athlete from his feed and left his one keen interest. No wonder their has been a mass exodus.

(Watch out Brojos might delete this, if she not in bed with Hudson she must be in with these guys)

Oh yes that will be deleted in 3, 2, 1... As this will be.