FFF wrote:
JohnMD1022 wrote:
Obviously, you know nothing about purchasing firearms.
Like I said, suck it.
Are you a fan of Psych?
FFF wrote:
JohnMD1022 wrote:
Obviously, you know nothing about purchasing firearms.
Like I said, suck it.
Are you a fan of Psych?
Bobby1 wrote:
It really doesn't matter since citizens have a Constitutional right to own guns.
The U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment states, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
The Connecticut Constitution states, “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state”
The Connecticut constitutional provision has not changed since it was adopted in 1818 as part of the state's first constitution , so clearly the intent was for every citizen to be able own guns for self protection.
"English common law had long acknowledged the importance of effective arms control, and the meaning of the Second Amendment seemed clear to the framers and their contemporaries: that the people have a right to possess arms when serving in the militia. Over the years, this “collective rights” interpretation of the Second Amendment was upheld in three Supreme Court decisions, in 1876, 1886, and most recently, in 1939 (Bogus 2000)"
Source: www dot
english.illinois.edu/-people-/faculty/debaron/essays/guns.pdfBut I'm sure you understand law better than the Supreme Court.
Yes...but do you accept the actual verbiage of the other 26? wrote:
Bobby1 wrote:
It really doesn't matter since citizens have a Constitutional right to own guns.
The U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment states, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
The Connecticut Constitution states, “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state”
The Connecticut constitutional provision has not changed since it was adopted in 1818 as part of the state's first constitution , so clearly the intent was for every citizen to be able own guns for self protection.
Very educational and informative. Please, Bobby, since you have an affinity for the second amendment—tell us how you feel about the other 26? Do you also believe they should be followed word for word—as written with no subtlety or interpretation allowed? Do you believe a POTUS should be able to just issue an executive order that overrules one of the amendments? If Barack HUSSEIN Obama had issued an executive order that invalidated the 2A how would’ve that made you feel? What if he had just threatened to do so as a campaigning tactic?
Also, how do you specifically feel about the 14th amendment? Do you also hold that in high regard? Or are some amendments more American and fundamental to our existence than others?
The first ten amendments are sacred. They should not be reversed by any means. The rest is optional. We have already reversed one of them. (#18)
electron1661 wrote:
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:
So do you believe the number of handgun deaths are irrelevant?
That's not actually a snarky question, btw. It's genuine.
What if it could be shown to your satisfaction that stricter gun laws would reduce crime? Would that be relevant to you, or is gun ownership more of a moral issue on which you won't budge?
Well said. Cars become safer, in part because of new legislation, every year. Why aren't we getting stricter with gun laws? Why not re-ban assault weapons? Furthemore, I don't understand why the right wing can't see the hypocrisy with Trumps current war on the 14th amendment yet can't touch the 2nd.
What is an "assault weapon"?
electron1661 wrote:
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:
So do you believe the number of handgun deaths are irrelevant?
That's not actually a snarky question, btw. It's genuine.
What if it could be shown to your satisfaction that stricter gun laws would reduce crime? Would that be relevant to you, or is gun ownership more of a moral issue on which you won't budge?
Well said. Cars become safer, in part because of new legislation, every year. Why aren't we getting stricter with gun laws? Why not re-ban assault weapons? Furthemore, I don't understand why the right wing can't see the hypocrisy with Trumps current war on the 14th amendment yet can't touch the 2nd.
By the way, we already have lots of gun laws and restrictions.
John Utah wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
So your response to firearm suicide rate statistics is to change the topic?
Pull all the statistics on "non-ghetto-dwelling persons" you want and firearm suicide statistics don't get any better.
Suicide is a suicide problem. This has no bearing on my right to own a weapon.
The thread topic is not your right to own a weapon, it's whether gun's protection value is greater than the potential for harm. Gun suicide is a relevant harm.
Monkeys typing wrote:
John Utah wrote:
Suicide is a suicide problem. This has no bearing on my right to own a weapon.
The thread topic is not your right to own a weapon, it's whether gun's protection value is greater than the potential for harm. Gun suicide is a relevant harm.
That's fine. Then let's look at the data. USA is ranked 38th in suicide rate per capita, far behind so many other countries with very strict gun control laws.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/firearm-availability-suicide.htmlJohn Utah wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
The thread topic is not your right to own a weapon, it's whether gun's protection value is greater than the potential for harm. Gun suicide is a relevant harm.
That's fine. Then let's look at the data. USA is ranked 38th in suicide rate per capita, far behind so many other countries with very strict gun control laws.
Not so fast bro wrote:
If you buy a gun, it is statistically more likely to be used by you or a member of your family for a suicide or accidental shooting than in preventing a crime.
Please provide a source for said statistics.
John Utah wrote:
electron1661 wrote:
Well said. Cars become safer, in part because of new legislation, every year. Why aren't we getting stricter with gun laws? Why not re-ban assault weapons? Furthemore, I don't understand why the right wing can't see the hypocrisy with Trumps current war on the 14th amendment yet can't touch the 2nd.
What is an "assault weapon"?
An assault weapon is a mythical creature that lives in California.
Monkeys typing wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Anyone hell bent on killing him/herself will do so. Firearm or not.
Suicides are mostly impulsive and "success rates" when using firearms is an order of magnitude higher than other means.
Yup. This is pretty common knowledge to anyone with an education.
It's kind of odd that the original poster hasn't chimed in here since the original post. Troll much??
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