The Guardian: How the 'Natural Talent' Myth is Used as a Weapon Against Black Athletes

Liberals really need to just shut the fuck up. Everyone hates you.

El Keniano wrote:

Barakus Obama wrote:

So, you disagree with Renato and thinks altitude is NOT a factor, got that right?

Did I say it's not a factor? People like you are quick to attribute East African dominance to just altitude dismissing the hard work and dedication they put in.

One must remember it is not just one thing. We should look at it from a whole-istic point of veiw. Anyways, El K how do you think Augustine Choge will do Sunday?

Realism n*gga wrote:

Liberals really need to just shut the fuck up. Everyone hates you.

Are saying a klansman or a Nazi as are you believe white people are genetically inferior in 100 metres and Marathon? Is that the klan and Nazi view? Are you one low I.Q. person who represents no one?

Sand Dunes wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Did I say it's not a factor? People like you are quick to attribute East African dominance to just altitude dismissing the hard work and dedication they put in.

One must remember it is not just one thing. We should look at it from a whole-istic point of veiw. Anyways, El K how do you think Augustine Choge will do Sunday?

I'm a fan but unfortunately not overly optimistic. I'm sceptical he can be competitive in the marathon but hope he proves me wrong. However, I think both Kiruis can be dark horses and I like that there's little attention and pressure on them.

El Keniano wrote:

Barakus Obama wrote:

So, you disagree with Renato and thinks altitude is NOT a factor, got that right?

Did I say it's not a factor? People like you are quick to attribute East African dominance to just altitude dismissing the hard work and dedication they put in.

Yes. You completely dismissed it as a factor.

You are wrong. Altitude is a factor, but great african runners would still be great african runners without altitude. Just not as great. You see it when they grow up other places than Africa and dominate. There is a genetic difference, but both white and black athletes can be great. Someone has an advantage though. Two different body types will never be completely equal.

Subway Surfers wrote:

It is pretty obvious, interestingly though no male West African has won an Olympic sprint medal, though I think Nigerian women won a 4 x 100m bronze at one stage.

This guy won a silver in 400m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Tiacoh

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

It is pretty obvious, interestingly though no male West African has won an Olympic sprint medal, though I think Nigerian women won a 4 x 100m bronze at one stage.

This guy won a silver in 400m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Tiacoh

Frankie Fredericks

Leonard Myles Mills

Deji Aliu

Daneil Effiong

Davidson Ezinwa

Francis Obikwelu

Olapade Adenikian

Fasuba

at least three other western African sprinters have ran a sub10.00 100m.

All of Asia, white Europe combined comes close to that.

Why do people fight this? Hell, watch a football game, go to a track meet, BOOM...there it is staring at ya.

Give me any white cornerback in the NFL today, yep., THERE AREN;T ANY. TOO DAMN SLOW~~~~~~~

Give me a white running back who belongs in with.....

Jim Brown

Gale Sayers

O.J.Simpson

Barry Sanders

Walter Payton

Eric Dickerson

Marcus Allen

Emmitt Smith

Adrian Peterson

Curtis Martin

Jerome Bettis

Frank Gore

Todd Gurley

Marshall Faulk

Ladainian Tomlinson

Thurman Thomas

Yep, THERE AREN'T ANY TOO DAMN SLOW.

What white sprinters belongs in with....

Usain Bolt

Justin Gatlin

Christian Coleman

Asafa Powell

Carl Lewis

Maurice Greene

Linford Christie

Donovan Bailey

Yohan Blake

Bullet Bob Hayes

Tommie Smith

Tyson Gay

Yep, THERE AREN'T ANY TOO DAMN SLOW

Where is that big and fast white guy, like a Marcus Dupree, Randy Moss, Bo Jackson, Ollie Matson, Homer Jones, Herschel Walker, Todd Gurley, Calvin Johnson, Usain Bolt, Terrell Owens, yep., they don't exist.

White people simply can't run with thosewith roota to western African, this is simply one of lifts facts and a real obvious one. Only a total moron wouldn't get this.

For every Jeremy Wariners, there are 10 Michael Johnsons.

For every Don Hutson, there are 10 Jerry Rice.

For every Valery Borzov there are 10 Carl Lewis.

For every Hugh "Kng" McElhenny there are 10 Eric Dickerson.

For every , what was that white cornerbacks name, out of USC, there are 100 Deion Sanders.

The fastest white American time wise is Oklahoma State's John Teeterrs at 10.00.

Hel, the HS record is 10,00 held by black sprinter Trendarvis Friday.

That is how sad this really is for white athletes.

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

It is pretty obvious, interestingly though no male West African has won an Olympic sprint medal, though I think Nigerian women won a 4 x 100m bronze at one stage.

This guy won a silver in 400m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Tiacoh

In order to defend my credibility, it was David Epstein in his Sports Gene book that made the claim. He must have been referring to the 100m.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

This guy won a silver in 400m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Tiacoh

In order to defend my credibility, it was David Epstein in his Sports Gene book that made the claim. He must have been referring to the 100m.

You POS moron, Francis Obikwelu was born and raised in Nigeria and he won Olympic silver in 2004.

Barakus Obama wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Did I say it's not a factor? People like you are quick to attribute East African dominance to just altitude dismissing the hard work and dedication they put in.

Yes. You completely dismissed it as a factor.

You are wrong. Altitude is a factor, but great african runners would still be great african runners without altitude. Just not as great. You see it when they grow up other places than Africa and dominate. There is a genetic difference, but both white and black athletes can be great. Someone has an advantage though. Two different body types will never be completely equal.

Interesting. What body types, pray tell, are these? Because stupid old me thought there's a generic body type for most distance runners no matter where they're from.

Whatley: Listing successful sprinters, by physical appearance having at least some African heritage is not proof of genetics. Sociologists can easily explain the disparity in performances. Individuals in US are categorized as "black" who would be categorized as "coloured" in Africa.

From 1932 Summer Olympics through 1960 Summer Olympics, those classified as black and those classified as white were all earning Olympic medals in 100m in time range of 10.2 to 10.5. Shoes were heavy and tracks were slow cinder/dirt during 29 year era. Robert Hayes sprinted 10.06 in 1960 and it appears en mass so-called white people quit sprinting. Conversely, Bob Hayes inspired blacks around the world to sprint 100m. Individuals thought: there is a man who looks like me. If Bob Hayes can sprint 10.06, why cannot I?

NFL: All outside linebackers, all split ends, all slot receivers, all tailbacks, all cornerbacks, most tight ends, most safeties and most middle linebackers are sub-4.8 40 yard dash men (by NFL combine standards). It is rare for anyone in NFL to possess sub-4.4 40 yard speed. Only a few sub-4.4 guys on each team. Usually only a couple sub-4.3 guys in NFL at any time. Deion Sanders showed up at NFL combine. He refused to lift weights. Sanders refused to do any coordination tests. Deion Sanders refused to take any psychological tests. Deion Sanders refused to take their I.Q. test. Deion Sanders sprinted two sub-4.3 and walked out. The legend of Deion Sanders scared white kids away from cornerback. There are more than one so-called black NFL cornerbacks with 4.6+ 40 yard speed. No matter. So-called white kids are now too afraid to play cornerback. Last man, Jason Sehorn.

There is no logical reason why the best so-called white basketball players in the world tend to be individuals who grew up in Europe except sociology. Some of you will say, "Larry Bird." I will say, "exactly!" Larry Bird grew up as a teenager looking to play playground basketball against black teenagers and black men in their twenties. Larry Bird grew up not afraid to compete against so-called black athletes.

Sociologists can explain all of this. It is interesting that people attempt to explain Am. football, basketball and T&F performances with genes, but never name a gene.

100% WRONG.

There is a reason only black sprinters can run a sub 6.40/9.90/19.70, yep.......genetics.

There is a reason we have never seen an Asian sprinter win an Olympic medal in the 100/200, yep....genetics.

We are different, that is a fact, if ya don't believe that visit the Phillipines then Samoa.

Black males 18-30 make up what % of the USA population, what......5%? So how can such a small % rule sprinting, running back, cornerback, speed receivers, and we see this in grade school.

It's all about genetics, 100% about genetics.

Don't ignore...........

Big and fast...ok? Where are those big and fast Asians, hispanics, whites, well? Come on man where are they?

Soooooooooooooooooo many black 220 pounders playing football right who can run a 4.5 40. Then there is that agility, those quicks, that elusiveness.

Anytime we see something this overwelmingly obvious ya don't try and use wimply reasons to try and explain it away, ya go with the obvious, which is...............genetics.

This is a black thing. And this could be......

Ollie Matson

Bobby Mitchell

Nolan Smith

Gale Sayers

Joe Washington

Brian Mitchell

Mel Gray

Dante Hall

Ron Brown

Michael Bates

Abe Woodson

Travis Williams

Tyreek Hill

Deion Sanders

Dude, reality is your friend, don't fight it.

What white/Asain/hispanic can do this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-q0dJlYIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-q0dJlYIc

Not sure what happened there.

Suppose to be Devin Hester in action.

At least according to what was written in "The Sports Gene," the reason why Nepalese and Peruvians do not have the same advantages as do Kenyans is because they have been at altitude for many, many generations. This has caused them to be much shorter and squatter as an adaptation to the altitude, and their blood is thicker. Both of them have had special adaptations to the altitude which have allowed to them to succeed at such high altitudes as societies. However, Kenyans and Ethiopians have not lived at altitude for as many generations as these groups, and thus have not had a lot of true adaptations to the altitude, and instead just develop bigger lungs. This, coupled with their relatively low weights, streamlined bodies, and high running economies, allow them to still receive the benefits of growing up at altitude, and have created a hot bed for distance running which is unmatched anywhere else.

You offer no new evidence. You are just stating more of your assumptions. Hasidic and Sapharidic Jews at one time were some of the best athletes in the world. They moved on to other pursuits. Lon Myers set the world record in 440 yards sprint in 1885, 49.4 on grass. Sociologists, economists and other social scientists will feel free to explain to you why some Jewish people were very good athletes in early years and why others currently are the top athletes. You still did not name this athletic gene.

Hasidic & Saphardic wrote:

You offer no new evidence. You are just stating more of your assumptions. Hasidic and Sapharidic Jews at one time were some of the best athletes in the world. They moved on to other pursuits. Lon Myers set the world record in 440 yards sprint in 1885, 49.4 on grass. Sociologists, economists and other social scientists will feel free to explain to you why some Jewish people were very good athletes in early years and why others currently are the top athletes. You still did not name this athletic gene.

I'm assuming all the sprint records are held by black sprinters?

I'm assuming only black sprinters can run sub6.40/9.90/19.70?

I'm assuming there are no white cornerbacks in the NFL?

I'm assuming all but one NFL team has a black starting RB?

I;m assuming black HS kids can beat white college sprinters?

I'm assuming no Asian sprinter has ever won an Olympic medal in the 100/200?

Do you watch American football, ever been to a track meet?

Nigeria has had 10ish sub10.00 sprinters, Trinidad around six, Jamaica a ton, black America a ton.

How about China, Japan, Russia, Germany, The Middle East, Spain, Mexico, Italy. Who are the fastest Canadians? Who are the fastest Brits, the fastest French,well?

Come on guy, try a little reality, ok?

Performances do not indicate genes. You can keep listing world records held by so called black people. Many parents view allowing sons to play Am. football as negligence. Many talented athletes choose not to participate in track & field. Before Kenya was independent from British Crown, someone would have been able to site statistics stating black people were not able to race 1500m well. I concede since 1960 you are able to provide statistics of so-called black people sprinting well. I do not agree there is a particular gene. You believe there is an athletic gene but only offer performances.