Why do some new pickup trucks these days cost the same as an entry-level Audi or BMW? Marketing geniuses?

A truck pays for itself quickly and holds it's value. A German Luxury car is useless and depreciates like a rock.

John Utah wrote:

GetRdone wrote:

$40k plus blue collar worker commuter vehicle. Either they are not blue collar or they are spending too much on a vehicle. Debt, the American way.

For every "blue collar" guy driving a truck they probably can't afford, I'll show you 2 "white collar" guys driving cars they probably can't afford, vacations they can't afford, houses they can't afford, clothes they can't afford, dining out they can't afford, etc. Higher levels of earning, yes, but higher levels of spending get you to the same spot.

Someone has a real axe to grind it sounds like.

Dealers and manufacturers charge whatever the market will tolerate. If people will pay $40k for an entry level truck, why charge less? That's the answer to your question.

Racket wrote:

John Utah wrote:

For every "blue collar" guy driving a truck they probably can't afford, I'll show you 2 "white collar" guys driving cars they probably can't afford, vacations they can't afford, houses they can't afford, clothes they can't afford, dining out they can't afford, etc. Higher levels of earning, yes, but higher levels of spending get you to the same spot.

Someone has a real axe to grind it sounds like.

Dealers and manufacturers charge whatever the market will tolerate. If people will pay $40k for an entry level truck, why charge less? That's the answer to your question.

Yeah, Johnny Utah really like to defend white people and masculinity...like, a lot.

He's one of the main offenders of being "triggered" and then acting like a betacuck and claiming other's are the triggered ones. Pretty funny, actually.

It probably doesn't help the price that all imported pickups have been subjected to a 25% tariff since the early 1960's/

https://qz.com/1239519/trumps-south-korea-trade-deal-preserves-the-55-year-old-chicken-tax-us-automakers-love/

Hrmmm wrote:

Racket wrote:

Someone has a real axe to grind it sounds like.

Dealers and manufacturers charge whatever the market will tolerate. If people will pay $40k for an entry level truck, why charge less? That's the answer to your question.

Yeah, Johnny Utah really like to defend white people and masculinity...like, a lot.

He's one of the main offenders of being "triggered" and then acting like a betacuck and claiming other's are the triggered ones. Pretty funny, actually.

Soooo, you are defending feminine males? And you're saying that only blue collar guys live beyond their means? What?

Hrmmm wrote:

Yeah, Johnny Utah really like to defend white people and masculinity...like, a lot.

He's one of the main offenders of being "triggered" and then acting like a betacuck and claiming other's are the triggered ones. Pretty funny, actually.

Consider what you just said from a different perspective. Why is there such a high frequency of attack that would elicit a defense?

Because every American male needs a white pick up truck or one of these super cool black monster trucks to go to work.

Ford makes a shiteload of money with this dinosaurs on wheels.

Trucker’s Truck wrote:

A truck pays for itself quickly and holds it's value. A German Luxury car is useless and depreciates like a rock.

Ha, ha you have no idea.

Pretty sure there are sizable tax writeoffs if the truck is 1) large enough and 2) can be construed as part of your small business, etc -- even if partly personal use.

Why do these threads always devolve into people measuring their masculinity. Hint: if you need to talk about it, it's not that impressive.

I dunno man. I was just expressing an observation. Here's where you were apparently offended at someone disparaging rednecks or whatever. Are you a redneck from the sticks?

And I agreed with John Clendon...American trucks are cheap, clunky, and made for the rough and tumble types who really don't know better. I've worked in construction most of my adult life and have seen more than my fair share of trucks on the job and owned by employees haven't seen much luxury at all. Actually, the only "nice" trucks I've seen had almost no utility at all because they were all for show. Nice, big, shiny, decked out engine and 4-wheel drive...but will NEVER see a load in teh bed or a day off-road.

But back to your original statement....you perked up at rednecks and I was just observing.

I agree with the other posters that Audis and BMWs are overpriced -- particularly the entry level models. I'd take a decked out VW any day over an Audi. Scratch that. I'd take a beat up GMC Vandura over any of these.

I'm just expressing an observation as well. Are you a cvck, just curious. What's your problem with normal guys?

I'm no cvck, for sure. Who's a "normal" guy, though? White, salt-of-the-earth types? I'm one of em. And what problem do I supposedly have with them? I just find hypermasculinity and tribalism kind of weak. The kind of masculinity and tribalism you show here daily.

You're a tough talker and think everyone who criticizes white people (or rednecks, hillbillies, whatever) are self-loathing. Like a poster in another thread said...you have limited reasoning skills, which is why you jumped to call someone a betacuck because you "felt" offended by their use of the term redneck. How liberal of you.

Buy whatever you want man. I know that your country relies on brainwashing and all that macho mumbo jumbo to sell stuff, but Audi, Mercedes and BMW are good brands. They are reliable, don't lose much value and you have a wide range of choice.

Of course an Audi A7 will cost like 8 times of an entry level A1, but that is a luxury end sedan.

You are way off. Granted that value is a subjective thing, most of those german brands (BMW, Audi, Mercedes) actually don't lose much value. Most of the parts still run fairly well after 8,9,10 years without much maintenance.

Of course it's easier to play mr. rich guy and simply buy another pickup after 3 years because that's what real men do. Fair enough.

Rockstar Games wrote:

You are way off. Granted that value is a subjective thing, most of those german brands (BMW, Audi, Mercedes) actually don't lose much value. Most of the parts still run fairly well after 8,9,10 years without much maintenance.

Of course it's easier to play mr. rich guy and simply buy another pickup after 3 years because that's what real men do. Fair enough.

Lol, I applaud your effort...but you're going to end up like Sisyphus against these macho-guy egos. I've met this John Utah before...just not him, specifically. I've met his personality type and it's so generic. Like they've never grown past high school. When I was a young jarhead at Camp Pendleton, I swear recruiters targeted guys just like him.

Sad, really.

Your white power language betrays you.

I was surprised to see Porsche at #2 and Buick at #3 in reliability in JD Power's latest survey.

1. Lexus

2. Porsche

3. Buick

4. Infiniti

5. KIA

6. Chevy

7. BMW

8. Lincoln

8. Hyundai

10. Audi

12. Mercedes

Ford was #13, just ahead of Mini and GMC, with over 50% more reported problems than Lexus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-reliable-car-brands-according-to-jd-power-ranked-2018-2#tied-8-lincoln-10

Average life expectancy of new vehicles is just 8 years and 150,000 miles.

In Consumer Reports' survey, Japanese and Korean brands had an average of 12 problems per 100, whereas American cars were at 18, and European cars overall worst at 21.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12040753/ns/business-consumer_news/t/whats-life-expectancy-my-car/#.W6Lka5NKgWo

In longevity, another study had:

1. Toyota, the only brand averaging over 210k miles

2. Honda, 209k

3. Ford 198

4. Dodge 198

5. Chevrolet 195

#3-5 made this "mainly on the strength of their trucks." 6-10 were Japanese plus GMC.

But don't buy a new car or truck. Buy a reliable used car. New cars depreciate an average of 40% right off the lot and 55% in three years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhenry/2014/05/31/toyota-leads-top-10-longest-lasting-brands-says-mojo-motors/#4dfe2a7168a9

She drives a Honda Fit, new in 2012 and just paid off, now closer to 70k miles, with a sticker price of around $19k including everything, and when I'm not running t/f work, I drive a 2002 Volkwagen Jetta Wagon, starting at 147k miles in 2014 and now at about 167k. It cost $1600 from a friend and has required limited maintenance/replacement costs but over $1k to replace the carburetor, battery, and some underside rusty stuff and tires. The Honda cost close to that much in one repair after a tire blew out on the highway and my woman was the one to take it to the dealer (they always overcharge women). So, we're talking about 28 cents per mile for the Honda so far, not counting the maintenance since that's a wash between the two cars, and 8 cents per mile for the Volkswagen so far. Obviously, the maintenance, gas, repairs, and registrations of the cars mean the real per mile costs are much higher. But the used car just is so much better a deal. And when the used car starts requiring very expensive repairs, we can ditch it for little loss and get another used car at around 150k miles.